Comparison of photos to aid identification please

[Margaret in Burton]

I've been to see my great aunt this afternoon and whilst I was there asked her about who someone was on an old family photo.

She wasn't sure.

I do have pics of all of them as children so need help deciding who it is in the adult version.


This is the pic that is the problem:

My grandmother is in the middle (b 1897) and possibly one of the others was her sister Catherine who was a year younger (b 1898)

I think Catherine is probably the one on the right but who is the one on the left?

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/unsure.jpg

Catherine's wedding pic in 1922

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/GilliverGeorgeBarksCatherine.jpg


As children or young women the rest of grandmothers sisters taken in 1916:

Catherine b 1898

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/BarksCatherine1915.jpg


Ruth b 1900

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/BarksRuthAnnie1915.jpg

Doris b 1901

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/BarksDoris1915.jpg


Olive b 1910 ( I doubt it is her)

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/BarksOliveSarah1915.jpg


It definitely isn't Aunty Daisy as she wasn't born until 1915 and she knows it's not her. :d:d

[Margaret in Burton]

I don't have the originals so can't rescan them.

[Muggins in Sussex]

I think that the lady on the left looks most like Ruth, but that her hair seems to be parted in the same way as Doris's

[Phoenix]

I would have guessed Catherine on left & Doris on right.

The girl on the right has much more hair than her sisters (and a full bust that I'm not sure the 1920s could disguise)

[Phoenix]

Also, doesn't the girl on the left display an engagement ring?

[Rachel]

2 quickies
I think it could be Ruth ~ fuller lips .... SORRY I meant the one on the left of the pic is Catherine

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/Zmargunsure.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/ZmargunsureRuth.jpg

[Rachel]

Also, doesn't the girl on the left display an engagement ring?

No engagement rings showing.

Ring on middle finger of right hand

[Merry]

Not sure about photos, but (having only seen you via the Ladies Wot Lunch photos), don't you look like your grandmother?!

[Rachel]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/ZMargBarksCatherine1915.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/ZMargCatherinecrop.jpg

[Janet]

Not sure about photos, but (having only seen you via the Ladies Wot Lunch photos), don't you look like your grandmother?!

Just what I was going to say! You do favor your grandmother, Marg. Oops, going off topic. Well, I'll return to the topic at hand by pointing out that if someone were to show me a head shot of your grandmother and one of you, without any other surrounding clues as to epoch, I might very well swear we were looking at the same person. So just a cautionary note about drawing conclusions. :rolleyes:

[Margaret in Burton]

If the one on the left is Catherine then the one on the right looks older than her and Catherine was next in age to my grandmother.
:confused::confused::confused:

When was the pic taken do you think?

Here is my grandmother in 1916 so aged 19 and again in 1925 on her wedding day aged 28.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/BarksMaryEllen1915.jpg


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu326/margharrison/YatesSydneyLeonardBarksMaryEllen1925-1.jpg

[Rachel]

I was about to say it might not be any of her sisters

[Margaret in Burton]

Yes I suppose I do resemble my fathers side of the family. At the age of 14 I thought a photo of my mum was me but as I get older I can see my dads three sisters when I look in the mirror. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Rachel]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/rachelscand/Zmargcropsis.jpg

Totally different lips

[Margaret in Burton]

I was about to say it might not be any of her sisters

I was wondering that.

If that is Catherine on the left and she isn't wearing a wedding ring then the pic is pre 1922.

The woman on the right looks older to me.

How old in comparison to grandmother (Mary Ellen) and to Catherine would you think she was?

edit to say that Aunty Daisy did wonder if it was Catherine on the left but was baffled by the woman on the right.

[Rachel]

I wouldn't have said that the one on the right was older.

Wondered if the 'touching' rules might help but this is all I have (posted on Roots) which doesn't help at all but is interesting.

'I am touching her because she is my sister. I am not touching anyone else because they are only friends.'

'I am touching her because she is my wife, and belongs to me.'

'I am touching him because he is my husband and master. He is touching the boy because he thinks he is his son (but he doesn't know about the gardener)
(sorry couldn't resist the last one)'

Sis on right is displaying her wrist watch ~ no rings showing on any of them.

[Margaret in Burton]

Can't see that anyone is touching anyone. Grandmother has her arm draped around the back of the chair.

[Rachel]

Can't see that anyone is touching anyone. Grandmother has her arm draped around the back of the chair.
Yes that probably denotes touching in some way .... or might not of course :D

[Janet]

Can't see that anyone is touching anyone. Grandmother has her arm draped around the back of the chair.

Marg, what I see is the one on our left leaning rather noticeably in toward the center. If you look at her waist, she seems to be wanting to attach herself to your grandmother, and I think your grandmother's hand is probably actually touching her. You can see her arm descending there. The one on our right is ramrod straight, all on her own. Your grandmother is careful to include her, but only goes so far as to touch the back of her chair.

I find those 'touching rules' very interesting, Rachel.

[Rachel]

Marg, what I see is the one on our left leaning rather noticeably in toward the center. If you look at her waist, she seems to be wanting to attach herself to your grandmother, and I think your grandmother's hand is probably actually touching her. You can see her arm descending there. The one on our right is ramrod straight, all on her own. Your grandmother is careful to include her, but only goes so far as to touch the back of her chair.

I find those 'touching rules' very interesting, Rachel.

You're right :) Grandmother is probably touching the one on the left who is leaning in slightly because the photographer told her he couldn't get them all in the frame so well and gran has her hand on the back of the chair because it's the correct height and she'd look a little odd if she had her arm on the sis's shoulder.
The photographer wants a nicely composed pic.


Conclusion ~ they are sisters

[Margaret in Burton]

How old is the woman on the right compared to grandmother though? Younger or older and by how much?

I'm very confused.

[Rachel]

How old is the woman on the right compared to grandmother though? Younger or older and by how much?

I'm very confused.
I'm useless with ages but the one on the right looks as if she has some 'puppy fat'

She could just be plump though :confused:

[Margaret in Burton]

I'm useless with ages but the one on the right looks as if she has some 'puppy fat'

She could just be plump though :confused:

Dad is coming round on Monday so I'll ask him. Sure I've asked him before though but he's useless on family history.

[Margaret in Burton]

I also just sent the pic to four of my cousins and asked them to ask their dad (dads brother) whichever one sees him first.

[Margaret in Burton]

Uncle Len is 99% sure that the woman on the right is Ruth. Definitely Catherine on the left. Dad agreed when I showed him yesterday although uncle Len is usually better at these family history questions than dad although he is 7 years younger.

Ruth died in 1949 that's why they don't remember her as well as the others.

[geniebug]

Just poking my head in Margaret - all I can say is what a handsome family of girls (or should I say attractive) :)