View Full Version : Dead by 1871, death registered 1897?
I think not.
Jeremiah Amanet b 1824 married Charlotte Gascoyne in 1845 and they had 5 children between 1847 and 1861.
According to Charlotte, Jeremiah died between 1861 and 1871 as she is a widow on the 1871 census.
The only flaw is that I have a death for Jeremiah on 14 April 1897 in the Bethnal Green Workhouse.
Another hint that Jeremiah didn't die is that when his son Alfred married in 1880 Jeremiah is not listed as deceased. I know that is common however the brides father was listed as deceased.
I have just found Jeremiah on the 1891 census as Amaret living in the Bethnal Green workhouse, he also says he was a widower and a cigar maker. He was a cigar maker his entire life.
Can anyone find him on the 1871 or 1881 census? (Or, pushing the friendship, the 1841?)
Amanet has many variations - Amenet, Amonet, Amanette, Ammonet, Ament and any combination of the above.
All the dates are from Ancestry's london BMD records.
Hmmm.....In order to try and find him in 1841 I looked for the deaths of his parents, but found nothing and only the one bap for their children (Jeremiah's!).....
No obviously likely cigar makers on the 1881.
I did wonder if he was in prison or some other institution under his initials? That didn't help.
Tried Gale newspapers and the Old Bailey site. Nada.
Is this their last child? (obviously doesn't have to be Jeremiah's)
Births Mar 1866
AMANET Charles Shoreditch 1c 192
Deaths Sep 1866
AMANET Charles 0 Shoreditch 1c 164
I haven't killed off the parents yet. I suspect one of them died as there was only one child but I can't prove it. I then started following Jeremiah to see if I could find them. Still looking.
My direct line relative is Jeremiah's great aunt. She was a lovely lady, plenty of info, she went begging to the bank of england, got a 25 pound loan and travelled to Australia following her convict husband. The letter to the bank and the order to pay her still exist. The rest of her family can't even spell their name the same way twice.
Is this their last child? (obviously doesn't have to be Jeremiah's)
Births Mar 1866
AMANET Charles Shoreditch 1c 192
Deaths Sep 1866
AMANET Charles 0 Shoreditch 1c 164
I don't know Merry. Possible but not on the London burials to know for sure. the last child I know of is William born 1861. (3months old on census)
This is Jeremiah's father (I think) so they could be together in 1841.
Death
Name: John Amanett
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 142
Don't know why I didn't see him before? lol
John and Alice are both alive in 1851 so more chance of finding them in 1841:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1541_1541-0728&fn=John&ln=Amanch&st=r&ssrc=&pid=323415
Olde Crone
06-03-12, 10:22
Do you know what he died of? I'm thinking he may have been in the workhouse (infirmary) for many years, concealed under his initials.
It was always socially better to say you were a widow than to say your husband was insane or sick and in a long term institution.
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OC no I don't know what he died of. The 1891 census also doesn't give any indication of illness or infirmity in that last column.
Merry thanks I'm off to have a look. I was trying to find Jeriimiah's mother's first marriage and thought I had done it until he husband died 4 years after her remarriage. :(
Does this look like John and Alice in 1861?
RG9/252 Folio 126 Page 7 Surname transcribed as Annett on ancestry but I think it might be Aninett. Alice's death is 1868 under Amnett.
kiterunner
06-03-12, 11:38
Just so we know what to look for, his birthplace is Shoreditch on the 1851 and 1861 and Bethnal Green on the 1891.
kiterunner
06-03-12, 11:48
Does this look like John and Alice in 1861?
RG9/252 Folio 126 Page 7 Surname transcribed as Annett on ancestry but I think it might be Aninett. Alice's death is 1868 under Amnett.
Could be, because John is a mariner on Jeremiah's baptism.
Perhaps Jeremiah ran away to sea when his marriage failed? (or it failed because he ran away to sea)
Could be, because John is a mariner on Jeremiah's baptism.
I forgot that. Somewhere it mentions he gets a naval pension and I wasn't sure it was the right person. I wonder if there are any records?
kiterunner
06-03-12, 22:10
Somewhere it mentions he gets a naval pension
It's on that very census entry that you found! That's why I was agreeing it looked likely to be them.
lol Kate, I had to go back and check that. My cold is affecting me more than I thought.
Admiralty: Royal Greenwich Hospital: Pensioners an... ADM 73/157/26
Jeremiah Amanet. Dates served: John and Alice Amanet; When admitted to Greenwich Hospital School: 22 February 1836. . Jeremiah Amanet. Dates served: John and Alice Amanet; When admitted to Greenwich Hospital School: 22 February 1836. Allenby-Anderson.
Date: 1728 - 1870
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives
Thanks Phoenix. Can I get whatever that is?
off to have a look.
That's saying he was admitted to the school at Greenwich because his father was a desrving case. Had he been a year or two younger, he would have been there in 1841. He might still be, but I can't spot him.
I would have thought John might be in ADM 29 - pensions for royal navy men - but I can't spot him.
The school registers will have lots of useful information, well worth looking at. If you can wait, I will be going to Kew soon, otherwise, you can order copies, but I don't know how much they cost these days.
I can order a copy of the documents. :( Not available online now.
I've sent for an estimate of the cost of copying, which is the first step in getting the documents.
Thanks again, Phoenix.
I didn't see your message but I can wait if you don't mind looking for me.
I have trouble searching the archives online so I don't think of using it often enough. Thank you for thinking of it and your offer.
The quote from the archives was not expensive so I ordered a copy of it so Phoenix you are off the hook. Thanks again for your offer though.
I now have a copy of the letter offering Jeremiah a place at the school, a page listing all ships John sailed on in the navy and the dates he sailed, listed by years, months, weeks and days, and a letter certifying that Jeremiah is "a real object Object of Charity". The last must have promoted self esteem in it's pupils. It also lists 2 older brothers (who have to be illegitimate), Jeremiah's date of birth but no records of his time at school.
It will be interesting to chase up the naval career and see if I can find anything about the 2 brothers. It looks like my direct relative was lucky her husband was transported to Oz and that she was able to go with him.
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