Agnew family in 1891 and 1901?

[ElizabethHerts]

In 1911 I have the Agnew family:

1911 Census
WATFORD, Hertfordshire
Reference RG14PN7728 RG78PN381 RD140 SD3 ED7 SN36

They are at a lovely house called Durrants, which is used for weddings etc. nowadays. The wife, Evelyn, is one of my Jeffcoat descendants. Her brother William Ernest Naylor and his wife are staying too.

This is the immediate family:

AGNEW, Charles Morland Head Married 29 years M 55 1856 Picture Dealer Salford Lancs
AGNEW, Evelyn Mary Wife Married F51 1860 Paddington Middlesex
AGNEW, Emily Margaret Daughter Single F 26 1885 Marylebone Middlesex
AGNEW, Alan Graeme Son Single M 23 1888 With Book Publisher Marylebone Middlesex

Charles and Evelyn married in Sept. qr. 1881 but I can't find them on FMP in 1891 or 1901.

Has anyone got sharp eyes, please?

[Merry]

Naylor

*faints*

I can't see them yet........

[ElizabethHerts]

Well, I think I came from the wrong line!

I don't know where the parents were in 1891 and 1901 but they had 6 children which I have found with varying degrees of sucess. They had five sons and a daughter.

Evelyn had a hospital named after her:

Hospital facts

"Nuffield Health Cambridge Hospital was acquired by the Nuffield Health Hospitals Group in 2003. It was built in 1921, on land owned by Cambridge University's Trinity College, at a cost of £27,000 by a philanthropic fine art dealer, Charles Morland Agnew, and named The Evelyn Hospital after his wife. Charles and Evelyn's ashes are buried in the hospital grounds under a stone monument which is dedicated to them.

Today the hospital has 46 beds and four operating theatres for major and minor surgery. It employs 120 permanent staff and accommodates the practices of 200 consultants working across a broad range of disciplines. The hospital's main specialties include the care and treatment of cancer, orthopaedic surgery and ENT and general surgery."

[kiterunner]

Well, I think I came from the wrong line!

I don't know where the parents were in 1891 and 1901 but they had 6 children which I have found with varying degrees of sucess. They had five sons and a daughter.



Can you tell us which children you've found in 1891 and 1901, please, so we know which ones might be with the parents?

[kiterunner]

Could Evelyn be the Evelyn M Agnew who's in Scotland in 1901? Age is a long way out according to ancestry (32) but she is born London.

[Merry]

Could Evelyn be the Evelyn M Agnew who's in Scotland in 1901? Age is a long way out according to ancestry (32) but she is born London.

I was really hoping that was going to be her, but the couple in the house seem to be Edwyn Sinclair Alexander Sinclair and Julia Margaret nee Hamilton-Campbell, so it's not obvious that Evelyn would be a sister to either of them (assuming she was nee Naylor?). However, maybe 'sister' is a mistranscription?

[Merry]

Apparently the Evelyn in Scotland is the sister of the head of house:

Children of Isabella Barbara Hume and John Hobhouse Inglis Alexander are:

+ 83 i. Edwyn Sinclair Alexander (Sinclair) was born 12 Dec 1865 in Malta, and died 13 Nov 1945 in Dunbeath Castle, Dunbeath, Latheron Parish, Caithness, Scotland.
+ 84 ii. Evelyn Mary Alexander died 23 Nov 1913.


Births Sep 1866
Alexander Evelyn M Greenwich 1d 683

Marriages Mar 1899
Agnew Quintin Graham K St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 704
Alexander Evelyn Mary St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 704

I still can't find the other Agnews. I did see a passenger list with a Charles M Agnew (right age) returnng to the UK in the 1920s. I wondered if they might have been abroad on other occasions? I haven't looked to see if there might be more than one Charles M born around the same time.

[kiterunner]

He's listed in the London phone book for 1905 at 70 Westbourne Ter, Paddington.

[kiterunner]

Oh, and on the Electoral Register for 1891 at 39B Old Bond Street, it also says 25 Carlton Hill which I think may be his residential address but I'm just paging back to find the column heading...

[kiterunner]

Didn't find the column heading and I have to go and have supper in a few minutes, so I went to a different year - 1890 he is listed at 22 Upper Hamilton Terrace, dwelling house, Marylebone East, and the address is in both columns so I presume he lived there. But it looks as though he moved house between then and the 1891 electoral roll so I would think that 1891 address is where he should be on the census (if he was at home).

[kiterunner]

On the 1901 electoral register it still says 39B Old Bond Street (shop) and 25 Carlton Hill.

[kiterunner]

I've found part of Carlton Hill in 1901 but it is the later house numbers - piece 119 folio 56 but not got time to try to find number 25 just now.

[Merry]

The only Carlton Hill I can find in London in 1901 is in Marylebone, but the occupier is Leslie M Higham. When I look at the electoral rolls Leslie Maurice Higham is showing for 25 Carlton Hill N W. Woud that be the same Carlton Hill?

[ElizabethHerts]

Sorry, Merry and Kate, we've just got back from our neighbours who have celebrated their 60th Wedding Anniversary - they asked ask in for drinks unexpectedly. They got a card from the Queen!

Will read through your posts asap - while supper is cooking!

[ElizabethHerts]

Children:

Charles Gerald 1882
Emily Margaret 1884
Kenneth Morland 1886
Alan Graeme 1887
Hugh Ladas 1894
William Gladstone 1898

The two younger boys are at the family home in 1901:

1901 Census
Address: 70, Westbourne Terrace, Paddington
AGNEW, Hugh L Son Single M 6 1895 St Johns Wood London
AGNEW, William G Son Single M 2 1899 Paddington London
BURROS, Rosina Servant Single F 31 1870 Cook Domestic Penge London
GALLINGS, Jessie Servant Single F 26 1875 Parlourmaid Domestic Glasgow Scotland
HATHERELL, Edith Servant Single F 29 1872 Housemaid Domestic Chippenham Wiltshire
CHARMAN, Alice Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic Cranleigh Surrey
BUTTERFIELD, Annie Servant Single F 28 1873 Nurse Domestic Hitchen Hertfordshire
MUSE, Annie Servant Single F 21 1880 Kitchenmaid Domestic Maida Vale London
WALKER, Olive Servant Single F 19 1882 Nursemaid Domestic Peckham London

[ElizabethHerts]

1911 Census
Institution: R N College Hospital And Masters Hostels With Officer's Residence Attached Thereto, R.N. COLLEGE HOSPITAL AND MASTER'S HOSTELS WITH OFFICERS' RESIDENCES ATTACHED THERETO.
AGNEW, Hugh L Naval Cadet Single M 16 1895 Student Naval Cadet London Piecadilly

Commander Hugh Ladas Agnew was born on 6 June 1894.1 He was the son of Charles Morland Agnew and Evelyn Mary Naylor.1 He married, firstly, Mary Violet Maud Davies, daughter of Hugh Davies, on 6 July 1920.1 He married, secondly, Gwendolen Ford Low Smith, daughter of Ernest Albert Smith, on 28 April 1934.1 He died on 20 December 1975 at age 81.1

[ElizabethHerts]

1911 Census
AGNEW, William
EASTBOURNE, Sussex
Reference RG14PN4846 RG78PN208 RD71 SD2 ED34 SN66
At school in Eastbourne
Address: Warren Hill Beachy Hd Road Eastbourne

Vice-Admiral Sir William Gladstone Agnew was born on 2 December 1898.1 He was the son of Charles Morland Agnew and Evelyn Mary Naylor.1 He married Patricia Caroline Bewley, daughter of Colonel Alfred William Bewley and Jean Knox Woods, on 24 April 1930.1 He died on 12 July 1960 at age 61, without issue.1

[ElizabethHerts]

Aha!

I have found some of them in 1891:
Address: 22, Hamilton Terrace, St Marylebone, West Marylebone
AGNEW, Gerald Son Single M 6 1885 St John's Wood
AGNEW, Margaret Daughter Single F 6 1885 St John's Wood
AGNEW, Kenneth Son Single M 4 1887 St John's Wood
AGNEW, Alan Son Single M 3 1888 St John's Wood
PERRY, Alice M Visitor Single F 26 1865 Governess Domestic Dublin
VINNICOMBE, Winefred Servant Single F 141877 Housemaid Domestic Kilburn
FLOYD, Ellen Servant Single F 27 1864 Housemaid Domestic Paddington
CAMPBELL, Matilda Servant Single F 52 1839 Nurse Domestic Rochester Kent
WATSON, Sarah Servant Single F 42 1849 Maid Domestic Cambridge

[Muggins in Sussex]

"Agnew, Capt William Gladstone, C.B. 1941; C.V.O. 1943; D.S.O. 1943 ( and Bar 1944); RN; b.1898; s of late Charles Morland Agnew, O.B.E.and Evelyn Mary, d of William Naylor; m 1930 Patricia Caroline, d.of late Col. Alfred William Bewley, C.M.G. serv war of 1939-. Address Glentimon, Palmerstone Way, Alverstoke, Hants"

Taken from 1945 Who's Who (I bought in a charity shop for £2.00 :))

Not sure if it adds anything much though, other than showing that William was a fairly distinguished gentleman!

[ElizabethHerts]

I've found a book about them on Google.

It's about the building and foundation of the Evelyn Hospital in Cambridge (now the Nuffield Hospital). Charles built it after Evelyn recovered from a lengthy illness.

There is a lovely photo of them together:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-DNG3cHkwPQC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=%22Evelyn+Hospital+%22+and+%22Agnew%22&source=bl&ots=i5rlMzs8TC&sig=O50_HGjnoTU-m-9crBcxGbbwh08&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4LxCT_KqBc7Z8gO37tmACA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22Evelyn%20Hospital%20%22%20and%20%22Agnew%22&f=false

[Merry]

Has anyone got sharp eyes, please?


My eyes aren't even sharp enough to realise I was supposed to be looking in 1891 as wel as 1901!! lol

[ElizabethHerts]

Not to worry, Merry. I don't think we shall find the parents. I have learnt a lot more about this branch of the family. Evelyn's grandmother was Mary Jeffcoat, sister of my 3x great grandfather, Daniel Jeffcoat. She was one of the Jeffcoat children who went to the Quaker school at Ackworth.

I'm transcribing 3 wills which mention her grandparents.

[kiterunner]

Maybe they were out of the country.

[ElizabethHerts]

Maybe they were out of the country.
That's what I thought, Kate.

[HarrysMum]

Now I've read through all this and forgotten who you are looking for......saw Naylor and lost the plot....lol

I'm keeping really quiet about finding anyone in Ackworth as well...

[HarrysMum]

Charles Morland Agnew born 14th Feb 1855 entered Trinity College 1874. Married Evelyn Mary Naylor 22nd sep 1881.

Birth reg Jan Q 1856 Salford. Seems like a long time to reg the birth.

[ElizabethHerts]

Libby, I don't think these reports are always 100 % accurate - I have certainly found a few errors in some of them.

[HarrysMum]

There's a 5year old Charles Agnew in Salford in 1861. Looks like the middle initial is "I" though. He's with his mother, but next door is an older Agnew family where the head is a publisher.

[HarrysMum]

1871 there's a Charles M Agnew at school (Rugby) born Eccles Lancs.

[ElizabethHerts]

Now I've read through all this and forgotten who you are looking for......saw Naylor and lost the plot....lol

I'm keeping really quiet about finding anyone in Ackworth as well...

Merry had a similar reaction, Libby!

Did you have anyone from your line at Ackworth? My Jeffcoat children travelled all the way from Buckinghamshire to go there.

[HarrysMum]

Two of Mary Kirkby and Thomas Fenton's children were born there. Distance is no object in my tree.....lol

One was born Lancs, married London, first child born Melbourne Australia, second one California, then back to Bristol.

[ElizabethHerts]

Two of Mary Kirkby and Thomas Fenton's children were born there. Distance is no object in my tree.....lol

One was born Lancs, married London, first child born Melbourne Australia, second one California, then back to Bristol.

A well-travelled family, Libby!

My little mites were sent there by their Quaker parents for their schooling.

[Hopeful]

Charles is on a few trees on Ancestry including mine. The Agnews are distantly related to my husband. I couldn't find them in 1891/1901

[ElizabethHerts]

Hello, Hopeful. Many thanks for that information. They aren't closely related to me, but we do share a common ancestor through Evelyn. Her ancestors were Quakers from Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire.

[Uncle John]

Two of Mary Kirkby and Thomas Fenton's children were born there. Distance is no object in my tree.....lol

One was born Lancs, married London, first child born Melbourne Australia, second one California, then back to Bristol.

That demonstrates which way the wind blows! All such long trips by sail had to go eastwards because the prevailing winds are westerlies. Cape of Good Hope on the outward journey, Cape Horn on the way back.

[Janet]

Two of Mary Kirkby and Thomas Fenton's children were born there. Distance is no object in my tree.....lol

One was born Lancs, married London, first child born Melbourne Australia, second one California, then back to Bristol.

That demonstrates which way the wind blows! All such long trips by sail had to go eastwards because the prevailing winds are westerlies. Cape of Good Hope on the outward journey, Cape Horn on the way back.

*likes* :)