View Full Version : Age 0 1911 Census which Birth reg?
Have a Clifford Harrison aged 0 on 1911 born in Glasshoughton Yorkshire which one would you go for ?
Mar 1910 Yorkshire West Riding
Jun 1910 Yorkshire West Riding West Yorks
Dec 1910 " " "
and if he died
aged 0 1911-1911 Pontefract Yorkshire West Riding
aged 2 1911-1913 Leeds Yorkshire "
Thanks
Mary from Italy
13-10-09, 18:48
Glasshoughton's about 3 miles from Pontefract and 16 miles from Leeds, so the first death seems to be the most likely.
thanks Mary I dont know the area at all so could not work it out
Glasshoughton would be in Pontefract district at that date, but there's no matching birth reg and the death in Pontefract probably matches up with the Q4 1911 birth, so........I don't know! lol
I'm doing this for someone who didnt know about this child so am assuming maybe wrongly he died young ?
Thanks Merry I think ??
kiterunner
13-10-09, 18:56
Have you looked at the actual image of the 1911 entry to see if it gives his age in months, Val?
The older girl was reg in Pontefract District but wasn't born in Glasshoughton! (unless it was transcribed/spelled wrong!)
Mary from Italy
13-10-09, 18:59
thanks Mary I dont know the area at all so could not work it out
I don't know it very well either, but if you choose "Get directions" on Google maps, it'll give you the distance between two places.
There's a Clifford Harrison birth reg on the GRO listings for Q2 1911, so if he was only newborn then he could have been registered in Q2. It's Pontefract 9c 149.
good thinking Kite looks like it says under 1 month but cant be sure
thanks everybody
ooh just noticed there were 3 children born and one had died so now need to find the other one .
Erm, how will you do that? Probably will need the PRs as there are loads of Harrison births.
There's a Clifford Harrison birth reg on the GRO listings for Q2 1911, so if he was only newborn then he could have been registered in Q2. It's Pontefract 9c 149.
I've just realised this is on FreeBMD, but the district is down as Pontardawe :d
so do you think its mistranscribed then ?
I know it is, because it says Pontefract on the original page and the page number, 149, is within the range for Pontefract. The volume number has got switched too, but is correct on the original page.
blimey Merry couldnt you sleep ? thanks for that
Merry or anybody Stella rang the reg office and they said they dont have a record for this Birth ????????????
Any ideas please
kiterunner
15-10-09, 18:30
The simplest thing to do would be for her to order it from the GRO.
yes I said that but she said she usually rings them .thanks again Kite
Maybe the register for the particular sub-district where he was born isn't held at Pontefract reg office? I see the books are divided between Pontefract, North Yorkshire, Leeds and Wakefield districts.
The main reason I gave up ordering certs locally was that so many local offices didn't know where their old registers were and my letter would float around for weeks whilst all the offices said they didn't have the right register!
thanks Merry am going to tell her to use the GRO much easier .
MERRY I just found that one for Pontardawe does exist its in Glamorgan though not Yorkshire ????????????????
HELP I dont want Stella ordering the wrong one
MERRY I just found that one for Pontardawe does exist its in Glamorgan though not Yorkshire ????????????????
I'm not sure what you mean? It doesn't exist on the GRO index! Or do you mean Pontardawe is a district? Yes, it is, but it's not the right one (the nextdoor one in the alphabet though)
so are we saying the one for Jun 1911 Pontefract 9c 149 is the right one then ?? sorry to be a nuisance
If you are looking at FreeBMD or Ancestry transcripts, then it says Pontardawe 11a but the GRO indexes actually say Pontefract 9c. The page number has been transcribed correctly as 149.
so are we saying the one for Jun 1911 Pontefract 9c 149 is the right one then ?? sorry to be a nuisance
Yes! lol
Hi Merry, Val has been helping me as you can see, as I don't have Ancestry. Should I send for Clifford's death certificate Pontefract 9c 172 do you think, or would it be more informative to send for the Birth one through the GRO?
thats of course if he died as a baby we dont know for sure .
If you order it from the local office they can probably send you an actual photocopy of the original register with the informant's sig (if they signed). Make sure you ask them for a photocopy or they may just write it out themselves. They won't need the GRO refs, just the year and quarter, reg district and name.
If you order from the GRO you will get a 1911 copy made by the 1911 registrar.
I don't think that death in Q4 has to be for your Clifford as there was another birth for a Clifford in Q4 too.
I would def send for the birth cert if you need the mum's maiden name. If you don't need that, then I can't see why you would need the birth cert particularly, but the death cert Q4 may not be the one you need.
So I can phone the Pontefract office that I phoned today and ask for the death certificate this time? Or do you think I don't need any? Mother's maiden name I do know - Clarkson, she was my grandmother.
You don't know when he died, that's the problem!
You could ask them to see if the death in Q4 1911 is the son of (whoever the father of yours is), but if that isn't his death then you may be stuck finding the right death. Do you know if the family stayed in the Pontefract area?
Merry, they seemed to move around a lot. Gran ended up in Leeds, then Castleford. I think I'll leave it, as I'm pretty sure Clifford didn't survive to adulthood - he would have been my Mum's brother and I would surely have known about him. Thank you so much for your advice though.:) You too Val for discovering all this. Cliffords father and mother were separated by 1911.
Cliffords father and mother were separated by 1911.
Do you know why? I just wondered if Clifford was the reason? (sorry, don't mean to offend, but could he have been someone else's child rather than the mum's husband? Just wondered if he might have ended up fostered/adopted if the parents tried again, but then split for good)
On the other hand, as well as the Q4 1911 death in Pontefract district there's also this one:
Deaths Dec 1913
Harrison Clifford 2 Leeds 9b 522
No offence Merry at all. Clifford could have been the reason I suppose that Lucy (my gran) and her husband split - no idea. Mum was very secretive about her parents. Another death then, same name and area. I think there are too many for me to ferret it out. I am going to assume he died I think and just let it rest.
There's don't seem to be any other suitable ones anywhere in the country - just those two, up to say mid 1920s.
Thank you very much for your help Merry. You too Val for your work. Most grateful.:)
Sorry, very rude of me, forgot to thank Mary from Italy and Kite too. Thank you both.:)
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