Humour me please ,,William Taylor

[borobabs]

I have 2 massive brickwalls one being William Taylor , b abt 1860
He married Mary Ann Pickering in1884 North Ormesby Middlesbrough witnesses Mary Barlow and R bowman
I have him on

1911 RG14PN29224 RG78PN1694 RD535 SD1 ED21 SN15 a Iron Worker

1901 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4587; Folio: 58; Page: 9. slagger Iron works

1891 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4017; Folio 140; Page 39; GSU roll: 6099127 Furnace man Iron works

1881 Now after trawling through North Ormesby here is a William living round the corner from Mary Ann

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4861; Folio: 23; Page: 41; GSU roll: 1342170. Iron worker

I have also found a birth of a William Taylor in Dudley

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=freebmdbirth&h=54464466&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t21165211_p1039411890_kpidz0q3d1039411890z 0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

Do you think I could have cracked it ,,,please

[kiterunner]

So, in 1901 he is 38 born Alverthorpe Yorkshire. In 1891 he is age 29 born Allthorpe, with this family next door:
Jas Taylor Head Mar 64 General Laborer Staffs Brierly Hill
Sarah Taylor Wife Mar 66 Hereford Lemester(?)
Ernest Taylor Son Single 19 Labourer Yorks N Ormesby
John Taylor Son Single 15 Do Do
Lizzie Carless Granddaughter 12 Scholar do do

The one you've found in 1881 is 22 born Dudley Worcestershire, relation of Caleb Taylor 28 born Dudley Worcestershire. Could be your William but we need more evidence.

What details does your William give on his marriage certificate, age, address, occupation father's name and occupation? And what info on the 1911 census?

[Merry]

No idea as I can't face typing in all those refs, but have you got his marriage cert for father's details and what (if anything) have you found on the 1871?

[kiterunner]

There seem to be quite a few William Taylors born in Dudley around the right time but if that one on the 1881 census is yours, he says he is 22 so he would be born a couple of years earlier than the birth you found, if his age is right on that census of course.

[borobabs]

Oh his WC he gives his age as 22 and father as William Taylor deceased Labourer,,I have phoned yorkshire and Whitby reg office and they have no William b abt 1861 with father William ;;

[borobabs]

His address is 32 Stepherson St North Ormesby she lived on the Market Place Church st is just around the corner ,,Stepherson st is quite a way down fro Market Place but not that far walking

[kiterunner]

So that James Taylor family next door in 1891 is probably unrelated.

[kiterunner]

Oh his WC he gives his age as 22 and father as William Taylor deceased Labourer,,I have phoned yorkshire and Whitby reg office and they have no William b abt 1861 with father William ;;

Isn't Alverthorpe in Wakefield, Babs? Or is there another one?

[borobabs]

Pass theres one classed as Lincolnshire but theres a place near us called ugthorpe ,,someone looked at Alverthorpe from FTF but could find one to fit

[kiterunner]

His address is 32 Stepherson St North Ormesby she lived on the Market Place Church st is just around the corner ,,Stepherson st is quite a way down fro Market Place but not that far walking

Hmmmm... this family is at 32 Stephenson St in 1881:
William Moxon Head Mar 43 Blast furnace labourer Cambridgeshire Little Downham
Jane Moxon Wife Mar 48 Yorks Sharlston
Walter Moxon Son Unm 25 Blast furnace laborer Yorks Sheffield
William Moxon Son Unm 18 Laborer Yorks Halversthorpe.

Worth looking into!

[kiterunner]

Okay, there is a possible marriage on FreeBMD Jan-Mar 1884 Middlesbro William Moxon / Jane Taylor. I'll see if I can find something to confirm that they married each other.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is this family in 1871:

1871 Census
TAYLOR, William
WAKEFIELD, Yorkshire
RG10 piece 4623 folio 84 page 29
Northgate, Wakefield
TAYLOR, William Head M 40 1831 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Ann Wife F 38 1833 Ireland
TAYLOR, Mary Daughter F 17 1854 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, John Henry Son M 15 1856 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, William Son M 10 1861 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Ann Daughter F 8 1863 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, James Son M 4 1867 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Kate Daughter F 0 1871 Yorkshire
BUCKLEY, Mickel Lodger M 52 1819 Ireland
RIGLEY, Frederick Lodger M 42 1829 Yorkshire
KILKENEY, John Lodger M 18 1853 Yorkshire

Alverthorpe is just outside Wakefield.

[borobabs]

Oh no not another varaition of name Halversthorpe ,,,dam soundex lol
I have been going round and round with him for few years now Kate

[kiterunner]

Okay, there is a possible marriage on FreeBMD Jan-Mar 1884 Middlesbro William Moxon / Jane Taylor. I'll see if I can find something to confirm that they married each other.
Yes, it's on Tees Valley BMD and they did marry each other.

[borobabs]

Thanks Elizabeth but its finding something to prove who is the right one isnt it ,,,dam tricky

[borobabs]

Hm so whos Jane ???

[ElizabethHerts]

Try the Wakefield and District Family History Society:

http://www.wdfhs.co.uk/pubs.php#parish

I have some of their publications - they are very good.



Parish Records & Church Registers

Alverthorpe St. Paul's (Wakefield) Parish Records Baptisms and Burials at Alverthorpe St. Pauls
R38 Alverthorpe Baptisms 1825-1853 £2.50
S55 Alverthorpe Baptisms 1853-1871 (A to J) £2.00
S56 Alverthorpe Baptisms 1853-1871 (K to Z) £2.00
S36 Alverthorpe Baptisms 1871-1901 (A to K) £2.50
S37 Alverthorpe Baptisms 1871-1901 (L to Z) £2.50
R39 Alverthorpe Burials 1825-1863 £2.00
T07 AlverthorpeBurials 1863-1876 £2.50
T25 Alverthorpe Burials 1876-1887 £2.50
T26 Alverthorpe Burials 1888-1896 £2.50
T27 Alverthorpe Burials 1897-1906 £2.50

[kiterunner]

Now I keep getting the boy with the noose! I'm trying to find William jr and Jane on the 1871 census, or Jane in 1861, but might have to leave it till later.

[kiterunner]

Hm so whos Jane ???

Looks as though Jane is your William's mother, doesn't it? And William Moxon is his stepfather.

[borobabs]

Hmm possible so would have to get there WC to see if it gives any more clues really wouldnt i

[borobabs]

Thanks for That link Elizabeth will see if Jane cane be found with William then go forward to getting cert for his birth

[borobabs]

Mary Ann was born over the moors near to Whitby and on 1881 census was living in Marske with her mam and uncle , they then appeared in (Doggy) North Ormesby so been trying to link up places they might have met

[kiterunner]

Hmm possible so would have to get there WC to see if it gives any more clues really wouldnt i

Yes, good idea.
William Moxon is a widower in 1891 so Jane's death must be the one Oct-Dec 1890 Middlesbrough, age 58. I haven't managed to find her and William jr on the earlier censuses yet, nor Walter. Not sure whether Walter belongs to William sr or to Jane yet!

[borobabs]

Pass Jess you have lost me there

opps sorry Kate thinking of something else there lol

[kiterunner]

Jess hasn't posted on this thread has she? :confused:

[borobabs]

Nope see above sorry lol

[ElizabethHerts]

Following KiteRunner's theory, I looked for a marriage between a
WILLIAM TAYLOR
and a
JANE.

Name: TAYLOR, William
Registration District: Wakefield
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 9C
Page No: 55
MarriageFinder: William Taylor married one of the following people
BOARDLEY, Jane
MORRIS, Sarah Ann
JACKSON, Sutcliffe

Sharlston is also just outside Wakefield.


1851 Census
BOARDLEY, Jane
HUDDERSFIELD, Yorkshire (West riding)
HO107 piece 2294 folio 355 page 29

SIKES, Edward Head Unmarried M 31 1820 Bank Cashier Hudderfd Yorkshire
SIKES, Charles Wm Brother Unmarried M 33 1818 Bank Cashier Hudderfd Yorkshire
BELL, Emily Hannah Niece Unmarried F 8 1843 Scholar Sowerby Bridge Yorkshire
NEWHAM, Emily Visitor Unmarried F 19 1832 Wine Merchants Daur Scarborough Yorkshire
BOARDLEY, Jane Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 House Servant Wakefield Yorkshire

[borobabs]

Oh Elizabeth thats a nice new name if I could claim it Boardley

[borobabs]

Dont we really need to find William on a 1871 census with his Dad and Mam

I have found this one

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4731; Folio: 10; Page: 14; GSU roll: 847322.

[kiterunner]

Dont we really need to find William on a 1871 census with his Dad and Mam

I have found this one

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4731; Folio: 10; Page: 14; GSU roll: 847322.

We don't know whether his father will be with them in 1871 though.
That family looks unlikely to be the right one because of the birthplaces, don't you think?

[kiterunner]

I still can't find any of them in earlier censuses, so here is William Moxon in 1901, might help with tracing him back at least (to work out whether the Walter who is 25 on the 1881 census is his son or Jane's):
17 Louisa St, Ormesby
Sarah Ann Reader Head Wid 43 Yorkshire (sorry can't read name of parish at the moment)
Jane Elizabeth Do Daur S 21 Do No Ormesby
Walter William Do Son S 19 Iron Founder Do Do
John Robert Do Do 11 Do Do
Alice Eliza Do Daur 10 Do Do
Ellen Do Daur 7 Do Do
Florence Annie Do Do 5 Do Do
William Moxon Father Widr 65 Labourer genl out of empl Cambridgeshire Downham

Well, it might help if it does definitely say "father", I'm not sure if it's been altered to or from something else!

[kiterunner]

Okay, this is Sarah Ann in 1891, at 38 Stephenson St, lol:
Sarah Ann Reader Wife M 32 Yorks Wakefield
Jane E Reader Dau 10 Scholar Yorks N Ormesby
Walter Wm Reader Son 9 Scholar " "
John Robt Reader Son 6 " "
Alice Eliza Reader Dau 1 mo " "

[kiterunner]

And in 1881 at 30 Stephenson St (next door to the Moxons)
Robert Reader Head Mar 24 Furnace Laborer Norfolk Westacre
Sarah A " Wife Mar 22 Yorks Wakefield
Jane E " Dau 4 mo " No Ormesby
Thomas " Brother Unm 16 Laborer Norfolk Swaffham.

[kiterunner]

Marriage Jul-Sep 1880 Middlesbro
Robert Reader / Sarah Ann Taylor. (checked against Tees Valley BMD)

So we can look for Sarah Ann Taylor on the 1871 census too!

[borobabs]

Right Kate you have lost me here how does the Reader name come into it ???
Had to google as both me and TGez have never heard of Louisa st but lo and behold google could find one celebrating VE day

[borobabs]

1871??? Sarah b Wakefield
Elizabeth ands Walter

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4533; Folio: 56; Page: 42; GSU roll: 848477.

[kiterunner]

Okay, I never thought of looking outside Yorkshire!

1871 No 70 Tintwistle Bridge, Glossop, Derbyshire
John Taylor Head Mar 55 (corrected from 66) Labourer Cambridge Downham
Jane Taylor Wife Mar 38 Yorkshire Kirkthorp (?)
Marthy Taylor Dau Unm 21 Winder " "
Walter Taylor Son 16 Labourer " "
Sarah A Taylor Dau 13 Weaver " "
William Taylor Son 8 Scholar " "
Thomas Griffiths Boarder Unm 55 Laborer
William Morter(?) Boarder Unm 31 Laborer Cambridge Downham.

It needs someone who knows Yorkshire better than I do to check what it says for Jane's birthplace! Though I think I've been over Tintwistle Bridge a few times. Anyway, what's the betting that William Morter is a mistake by the enumerator and it's really William Moxon?

[borobabs]

Kirkthorpe could be mistaken for Authorpe Alverthorple and Ugthorpe ??
Never heard of that place must be honest

[kiterunner]

Right Kate you have lost me here how does the Reader name come into it ???

On the 1901 census William Moxon (your William Taylor's stepfather) is down as Sarah Ann Reader's father, so I had to trace her back and find out what her maiden name was to see if she was a Taylor or a Moxon. Turns out she was a Taylor, so William Moxon was her stepfather too. But looking for her in 1871 meant I finally found the right family in 1871 (see post #37).

[ElizabethHerts]

Yes, Kite, I was going to say look at the boarder!

I had just found it after abandoning my search in Yorkshire.

[kiterunner]

Sorry, forgot to post up the refs for 1871 in case you need them: piece 3643, folio 75, page 4.

William must have given his stepfather's name, William, as his father, instead of John who was his real father, on his marriage cert but the vicar wrote down Taylor for the surname.

[borobabs]

Wow thats what you call a round about way , I was going to ask the reg office if her name was Taylor

[ElizabethHerts]

Kirkthorpe is just to the east of Wakefield.

[kiterunner]

So here they are in 1861:
Shire's Row, Alverthorpe and Thornes, Yorkshire
John Taylor Head Mar 46 Railway Laborer Cambridgeshire Little Downham
Jane Do Wife Mar 34 Yorkshire Sharlston
Martha Do Dau 13 Lancashire Colne
Walter Do Son 6 Scholar Yorkshire Sheffield
Sarah A Do Dau 3 Do Do Wrenthorpe
Alice Do Dau 10 mo Do Sedburgh.

[borobabs]

But he has said on Marriage cert father William

[ElizabethHerts]

1851 Census
TAYLOR, John
ROTHERHAM, Yorkshire (West riding)
HO107 piece 2345 folio 160 page 9

Town End, Wath Upon Dearne
TAYLOR, John Head Married M 30 1821 Railway Labourer Dowland Cambridgeshire
TAYLOR, Jane Wife MarriedF 24 1827 Sharlston Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Martha Daughter F 3 1848 Tandridge Lancashire

His job explains their moving around so much.

[kiterunner]

But he has said on Marriage cert father William

Yes, he must have given his stepfather's first name instead of his real father's, and the vicar put Taylor down for the surname.

[borobabs]

Yes just remembered that so his mam was married twice Taylor and Moxton

[kiterunner]

I'm wondering whether any of the Taylor children's births would be on a local BMD site that might show mother's maiden name on the index but I don't know which site to check for each child!

Edit - just adding that Martha's birthplace should say Foulridge, so we can figure out the right birth reg for her.
(Another edit - Foulridge seems to be in Colne sub-district)

[borobabs]

Dont get MMN on teesvally indexes

[kiterunner]

There don't seem to be many entries showing MMN on Yorkshire BMD that far back either.

[Merry]

Martha in lancs is Burnley district and they don't have mmn on Lancs bmd.