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Jennifer Eccles
18-01-12, 19:52
I have, what i believe to be two photos with my great Grandparents in, though taken at different times. The first also has 2 great Aunts , though i cannot work out which two there were 6 all born within quite a short timespan, so am guestimating around 1895'ish.
The elder couple is their parents ( my great granparents) Henry Wright b1869, and Alice b 1868.
The difficulty i have is the second photo, am i right in stating this is them again (ggrandparents) but an earlier photo? and if so, can a rough date be placed?. Oh and if it's not them, i am stumped by who is in the second photo!
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r87/OurEm/Ancestors042.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r87/OurEm/CopyofAncestors028.jpg
guestimating around 1895'ish
What is?? :confused:
Jennifer Eccles
18-01-12, 20:00
sorry, guessing the two Aunts dob's.
Without any dates for the indviduals I would have put the first picture as no later than 1923 and probably closer to the end of WW1. The other one I would put at about 1912ish. However, I'm not very confident with photo dating!
Jennifer Eccles
18-01-12, 20:17
That's a great help anyway.. the other question is of course, are they the same people?
Yes, I'm very sure they are!
I think the lady is, certainly
Jennifer Eccles
18-01-12, 21:17
Many thanks Merry and Jess :)
Olde Crone
18-01-12, 21:24
Same people.
The car photo I would put pre WW1, purely because of the ladies' hats - the cloche had come in by about 1920, I think.
The other photo, late 1890s to early 1910s - the man's wingtipped collar. I actually think the two photos were taken not many years apart, say maybe 5?
OC
I see the cloche hat came in earlier than I thought. I had read about 923 before, but now I see 1916 being a more common date. So, before 1916 for the first photo. I still think the other photo is a bit later than OC says, but agree the photos could be as little as five years apart. Mum has aged more than dad has.
Olde Crone
18-01-12, 22:25
No, I think we are agreeing on the dates, Merry - pre 1916 for the car photo and about 5 years earlier for the wingtipped collar.
OC
Script on second photo appears to read
Hart
52.Nantwich Road Crewe
googled just that info and ( this is a snippet)
''> We can't really help you other than to say my husband's grandfather was
> J.L.Hart,Photographer in Crewe from 1904''
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CHESHIRE/2002-11/1036146755
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 06:33
Then indeed GGrandma has aged more, though if you think about it, if Henry was born 1869.. he would have only been in his 40's ? he looks a good 20 years older!
\well spotted Jess. Annoyingly that address isn't listed on the 1911 census.
It is on the 1901 but I don't have a FMP sub and can't see it yet in 1901 (though I did find the odd numbers!!)
2nd pic - get rid of the whiskers & he doesn't look that old
What's the initial before Hart?
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 06:41
Merry if you bear with me i have the original photo somewhere
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 06:43
Have found another Photo, this says R L Hart. 52 Nantwich road, Crewe.
I have to go now, but if we can find the photographer and place him at th right addy over a fiven time frome, that might help!
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 06:49
But now found the original second photo and that first intial is not and R but a J, so j L Hart.
They were still going during and after WW2 as i have other phtos from them where mum was in her 20's
I just found John Lovell Hart in 1911 a photographer different address in Crewe. His youngest child was 13 and all his children b in Ashbourne? Derbyshire. Don't have time for 1901.
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 06:54
Thanks Merry.
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 07:50
I have just worked out, that in the 1st photo, the daughter on the left is my G Aunt Eveline b1894, ( found another photo with her name on the back). Now, she married in 1918. Am i assuming correctly then as there are only 2 daughters in the 1st photo, these are the two that are still at home at this point ( out of 8 siblings).. that is why they had their portrait taken with their parents?
If so then the first photo is pre 1918 ?
I believe these two daughters are the last two left as other "studio portrait" photos i have are of the siblings and their husbands/wives.
I have a later photo of G Aunt Eveline with her Husband, taken at the same phtographers (J L Hart) this time on the back the adress of the phtographers have also a title "Grosvenor studio"
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 07:54
Second GAunt is Lily! b1892, married 1920.
John Lovell Hart:
1911 52, Gainsborough Road Crewe
(interesting that the photograph also has number 52, even though the street address is different)
In 1901 J L Hart was still working as a photographer in Ashbourne, Derbyshire so I guess that means the second photo was after 1901 (as we thought)
The online historic directories website hasn't helped me pin down his move to Cheshire any more accurately. When I googled his name I found a site which said he probably moved out of Ashbourne (to Crewe?) between 1901 and 1905.
Oooh, he is recorded as at 52 Nantwich Road in Kelly's Directory of Cheshire dated 1914, so it looks as if he went there between 1911 and 1914, suggesting the second photo was taken after 1911.
On Rootsweb a descendant of J L Hart says he was in Crewe from 1906. Of course he might have lived at the 1911 census address and had his studio at 52 Nantwich Road from that date (esp as the nantwich Road address was uninhabited in 1911). So, I guess we can only safely say the second photo is after 1906.
Is there anything else on the back of it?
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 13:18
No Merry not on the "earlier" photo except for instructions written in hand by i pressume the photographer.
I have several taken by R. L Hart and J L Hart, i think though the earliest is the 2nd of the two i have popped on here. the rest all seem to be later, and a couple definately around the 1940's.
The 1940's photos are without the title "Grosvenor studio" and R L Hart.
So i assume all the earlier ones ( i have about 5) are J L Hart. All printed in postcard form, though on each, there is slight diferences in Font and print used.
I can't find the original of the one in the car.. i will go for a rummage.
Mum Made a good point, regards why i though henry and Alice looked much older in the second photo.. if it was taken post WW1 ( and the other pre) My Grandad and his two brothers were all fighting in France.. it may have been the stress of all their boys fighting away in the war?
Sounds very likely.
Richard Lovell Hart was the son of JLH and was aged 21 in 1911 (photographer).
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 13:25
According to Rootweb , is this J L Hart
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brett/photos/jlhart.html
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 13:31
sorry just caught your earlier post.. Gainsborough road.. it rang alarm bells.. am positive some ancestors lived in this road. This, if memory serves right is a residential street with no businesses, so must be his home adress, and possibly how the family used Harts. although, have found out earlier at least 2 aunts worked on Nantwich road where the studio was, however, Nantwich road is several miles long..
Yes, that's right - Gainsborough Road is residential and Nantwich Road is a shopping street near the railway station. Only a few 100yds between them!
Jennifer Eccles
19-01-12, 14:00
Ah the railway station, where Henry worked and G Aunt Frances was manageress of the Tea rooms. I thinK Lily worked there too after marrying.
sorry.. i was supposed to be looking for photos! *disappears into drawers*
Hi Richard Lovell Hart was my Grandfather, he was the son of John Lovell Hart. they had a photography studio in Crewe. John died in 1955 and Richard in 1961. Don't know if that helps. Sarah
Definitely the same couple
Sorry ... didn't see that the thread had more than one page
Hi Richard Lovell Hart was my Grandfather, he was the son of John Lovell Hart. they had a photography studio in Crewe. John died in 1955 and Richard in 1961. Don't know if that helps. Sarah
Welcome to GF, Sarah! That's an interesting aside. Wonder what light the descendants of the photographers might shed on some of my own family photos.
Jennifer, I do think they're the same couple as well.
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