Sweetbaum/Cwitbojm

[Phoenix]

Does anyone have any bright ideas as to what this name might be recorded as?

it is possible that there was nobody of that name in the country pre WW1, but I wonder if they are lurking under the blankets somewhere in 1911.

Looking for Isaac & Hyman, possibly brothers, born in the 1890s, nationality Polish or Russian.

[Rachel]

S'pose you've tried just plain 'Baum' ?

[Merry]

Isaac Sweetbaum is in the phonebook in Croydon mid '20s to mid '50s.

Hyman's death:

Name: Hyman Sweetbaum
Birth Date: abt 1898
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 9

and burial

Name: Hyman Sweetbaum
Birth Date: abt 1898
Death Date: 11 Jan 1960
Age at Death: 62
Burial Plot: Q117
Burial Place: London, England, United Kingdom
Comments: Noted on Tombstone: SWEETBAUM Fanny
Other Comments: Sections A-R
Cemetery: Edmonton Federation Cemetery
Cemetery Burials: 16294


I realise this isn't what you asked for, just thought I'd post it up anyway!

I wonder if they had another relative here?

Name: Rachla L Cevitbojm Or Sweetbaum Or Szerman
Spouse Surname: Roth
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 695
Spouse Isaac Roth

[Phoenix]

And *Baum and *bojm without success.

Having in the distant past transcribed some of Southwark in 1881, I know what a pig's ear enumerators made of furrin names. I have no idea whether these people would have been literate if they were on the 1911.

[Merry]

Now Ancestry, FMP and the Gazette won't let me in, so I'm going to wash up instead.....

[Phoenix]

Ooh, thank you, Merry!

I'd seen Hyman's death, but not his burial. Fanny appears to have died in Hove.

Omg:

Name: SWEETBAUM, BESSIE
Initials: B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 7
Date of Death: 28/10/1940
Additional information: Daughter of Isaac and Miriam Sweetbaum, of 26 Colson Road. Died at Electricity Showrooms Shelter, Wellesley Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: CROYDON, COUNTY BOROUGH

Bessie and her elder sister Sarah were clearly killed on the same day.

[JessBow]

I guess you know he married Fanny in Stepney in 1920

Bessie & sarah were not Fanny & Hyman's daughters , were they?

[Muggins in Sussex]

Ooh, thank you, Merry!

I'd seen Hyman's death, but not his burial. Fanny appears to have died in Hove.

Omg:

Name: SWEETBAUM, BESSIE
Initials: B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 7
Date of Death: 28/10/1940
Additional information: Daughter of Isaac and Miriam Sweetbaum, of 26 Colson Road. Died at Electricity Showrooms Shelter, Wellesley Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: CROYDON, COUNTY BOROUGH

Bessie and her elder sister Sarah were clearly killed on the same day.

How sad, Phoenix - they are listed here http://www.croydononline.org/history/the_war_years/roh/dodii.asp?wtY=1940

[Merry]

Fanny's burial:

Name: Fanny Sweetbaum
Death Date: 7 Dec 1972
Burial Plot: Q117
Burial Place: London, England, United Kingdom
Other Comments: Sections A-R
Cemetery: Edmonton Federation Cemetery
Cemetery Burials: 16294

[Merry]

There are a couple of passenger lists on Ancestry showing Mariam S coming into the UK in the 1950s and as she and Isaac don't seem to have died here I thought maybe the US


Mariam SWEETBAUM
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1899
Death Date: 15 Aug 1987
Social Security Number: 570-54-0632
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: California

Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 90057
Localities: Flint, Los Angeles, California
Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California

[Muggins in Sussex]

Had you seen this - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/38666/pages/3462/page.pdf - a listing for Cwitbojm, Iccok (otherwise Known as Isaac Sweetbaum ?

[Merry]

I can see Mariam going to America in 1953 and 1957 (fmp) but not Isaac.

[Merry]

Had you seen this - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/38666/pages/3462/page.pdf - a listing for Cwitbojm, Iccok (otherwise Known as Isaac Sweetbaum ?

That's not fair - I still can't get in!

[Phoenix]

Wow!

Thanks guys for all this. When I have a spare minute, I'll be off to Local Studies to have a look a the directories.

Perhaps they did come late (and in Miriam's case, leave early)

It's odd, I never thought of Sweetbaum as an unusual name, but it's obviously rare.

I assume they just hopped across the channel to get here, so don't show in immigration records until the late 1930s, in MEPO.

[JessBow]

gets a mention here too

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7953733&queryType=1&resultcount=657

[Phoenix]

That's not fair - I still can't get in!

Even with IE I finally managed it, though with no page headings, I don't now if this is lists of people wanting to be naturaliesed or what.

[JessBow]

Name: Isaac Cwitbojm alias Sweetbaum
Nationality: Polish
20 August 1890 MEPO 35/14/2
Alien registration card

Note date

[Merry]

Thanks to Jess I have now found Isaac going to New York in 1957. (I can't acess the FMP stuff as I don't have a sub)

[annswabey]

There's also this Naturalisation for Isaac at TNA

HO 334/323/4123 More information Naturalisation Certificate: Icchok Cwitbojm. From Poland. Resident in East Croydon, Surrey. Certificate BNA4123 issued 27 May 1949. Note(s): Alias: Isaac Sweetbaum. 1949 May 27

[Phoenix]

Thank you, guys!

Even in the states, there are hardly any around, and it looks as if most of Isaac's family went out there.

When I'm next at TNA, I must look up those immigration papers.

[Janet]

Here's another transliteration of the name:
Tsvitboym.
From http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets/web-pages/documents/Doc-099-1934-1936-Kremenets-Tarbut-School-HM-2-8982-14.pdf

Also Tsvitbojm.

And have you seen this?
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsln=Tsvitboym&gsln_x=XO&gss=angs-c&pcat=34&h=175829&recoff=11&db=JG_JRI_Birth&indiv=1
Name: Abram/Avraham Tsvitbojm/Tsvitboym
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1872
Birth Place: Kremenets
Birth Registration Date: 1872
Father's Name: Itsko/Yitschak
Father's Town of Origin: Kremenets
Mother's Name: Khana/Chane
Comments: [R] According to the journal of 19 November 1886, issued for the first time. Secretary [illegible signature].
Other: father_occ: Town dweller
hebrewdate: 6 Elul 5632
line: 180
mohel1: Avraham GRINBERG
mohel2: Shlome SAG
Film: 2086060
Line: M108

[Phoenix]

Ten years on, I offer:

GLAZER, JACK SURDBAUM
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 17

Births Jun 1913
Glazer Philip Tweedburn Bethnal G. 1c 354

Births Mar 1916
Glazer Benjamin Swidbourne Bethnal G. 1c 278

Jacob Glazer and Annie nee Sweetbaum came from Lutsk in what was then variously described as Russia or Poland, but now is in Ukraine. I have only just found an online tree which shows Annie as the sister of Hyman and Isaac.