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Nowt, the essentials 3 month sub I activated today, doesn't include them :( Was so hoping to find my William Green to track his death...
Is this him, Diane?
1911: Green, William, Two rooms, first floor, unfurnished, 68 Ford Road, landlord W J Grimwood (same address). Parliamentary Division Bow and Bromley, Borough Tower Hamlets
1912: Same
1913: Same
1914: 68 Ford Road isn't included (but no one in this street is listed as a tenant on this roll). There's a William Grimwood at number 19, but he doesn't have a middle name.
1915: Same as 1914.
Having looked back there is a Wm Grimwood at number 19 for all these years and the rolls with tenants are a different animal to the rolls I found for later, so we can't say he was't still there after 1913 :(
For the rest of WW1 there's nothing to look at!
I've now found a separate 1912 roll with William John Grimwood on it at 68. He is not listed in Bow by the end of the war.
I can't find anything for Bow after this, but I'm not sure if I should be searching different terms?
So...........that didn't help much, did it! lolol
Thanks Merry, not sure, will go and have a look at the 1911 and get back to you soon.
I got the addy from your ToG thread!
yes that is him!! How on earth did you do that lol
He was 75 living there with his son Robert who was 22 then.
ooh you clever person lol
Are you sure the 1913 aged 73 death isn't him? There's no other William Green in 1911 living in Poplar who would fit that death better (obviously someone might have moved into the area).
You won't believe this, but having worked out that Robert was Robert John A Green, I popped his name into Ancestry in the hope of finding a Ww1 service record with an address on it (didn't find one), but there was one match on the London e rolls for that name, but for 1945. Where do you think he was living?.....
Yep.....68 Ford Road with William J, A R L Grimwood (both dec'd and another Grimwood who I can't tell whether alive or dead, see next post)!!
I tried to check the roll was really 1945, but haven't managed that yet!
Oooh, William J and A(lice) R L Grimwood are husband and wife in 1911. The other person b 1922 was mmn Green (are they alive?) Maybe you know that anyway then.......
Ah, I see, the 1922 baby was a late one for WJ and Alice:
Marriages Dec 1904
Bolton Henry Alfred Poplar 1c 996
Green Alice Rosetta L Poplar 1c 996
Grimwood William John Poplar 1c 996
Lotcho Mary Ann Poplar 1c 996
Was Alice William Green's daughter?
I think finding the family at the same address all those years later makes the 1913 death even more likely as they family clearly didn't move around! lol
Did William's age fluctualt much over the censuses? Do you know exactly when he was born?
No it didn't fairly consistant he was born around 1835 in Clifton Beds.
William married twice, first wife Jemima died at 32, several children from that one, he then married his housekeeper Alice Riggs, who was much younger and he outlived her as well! Several children from that one as well.
Yes you are right 1891 there is an Alice R L Green as one of his children.
Alice is 11 years older than Robert on that one.
The date for that last e roll (1945) must be right as otherwise the 1922 birth person wouldn't be on it!
Alice is 11 years older than Robert on that one.
Yes, that would fit as she was 30-odd on the 1911 census and I thought she would be too old to have a child in 1922!! lol
Margaret in Burton
13-01-12, 08:54
Nowt, the essentials 3 month sub I activated today, doesn't include them :( Was so hoping to find my William Green to track his death...
You could try ringing Ancestry and see how much extra for Premium. I don't think it's that much extra.
ooh thanks Merry. Will order that death and see whats what, fingers crossed!
No it didn't fairly consistant he was born around 1835 in Clifton Beds.
I do have one death cert where the age on the cert isn't the age in the GRO index (71/77) so I suppose it could be that Wm was reported as 78 when he died in 1913, but this was transformed to 73 somewhere along the line!
At least if that cert is him you have a very good chance of the registration being done by a family member thereby positively identifying the cert!
Yes, Marg. I did say that on the other thread on general, hopefully it may be just the difference between the monthly amounts they charge :)
When would the roll have been taken then this death comes under jan/feb/mar qtr
I'm not sure. My great-grandfather died in Jun 1921 and he is on the 1921 e roll.
The Grimwoods are on the e rolls rfom 1918 onwards, but Robert Green only appears with them in 1922 and on from there 9he doesn't add his middle names until 1945!). I feel William Green was definitely dead by 1922.
Ordered... First research cert ordered in about 4 years!
Currently, and I cannot imagine the process was faster in the past, we get the forms in the autumn of one year to include us on the rolls for the next.
That's useful to know, Phoenix :)
Ordered... First research cert ordered in about 4 years!
*crosses everything*
Mary from Italy
13-01-12, 14:48
It's usually the previous October, I think, although I don't remember when that started (pre-1970s, anyway).
Wooo - Cert arrived today and bingo it's him!!
Died at Ford Rd., daughter present A Grimwood! Cause of death bronchitis and heart failure.
Thanks so much Merry x
Oooh, good! (well, not for him, obviously.............)
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