Trying to find a maiden surname!

[Merry]

BK6 updated from this thread

I am trying to find the maiden name of Mrs Ellen Walford. I had fondly thought Ellen's maiden name might be Rogers as both her sons and all her male grandsons have this as a middle name, but that doesn't seem to be right, if you read on......

Ellen probably married shortly before 1837 (I'd hoped to find it on the LMA records) and her husband was Alfred George Walford. They had two sons together and then Alfred died in Lingford Surrey aged 28 in 1840.

In 1841 Ellen, aged 20, is with her sons in St Marylebone. I can't find them in 1851, but in 1861 Ellen and her sons are living with two of Ellen's sisters. One of these sisters is unmarried, so it would be nice to think I could just do a few searches on this sister's surname and maybe find all three baptisms to confirm it's the right family, BUT.......what is the sister's surname??

I don't know! lol

Here is the 1861 image:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=MDXRG9_107_110-0125&fn=Ellen&ln=Walford&st=r&ssrc=&pid=8648818

I feel as if this should be dead easy, but I'm obviously going about it the wrong way as I'm going round in circles!

[Merry]

They've just appeared in 1851:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=MDXHO107_1467_1467-0887&fn=Ellen&ln=Walford&st=d&ssrc=&pid=2077536

This time Mary French (if it's the same Mary French) is 16 years younger and is now unmarried not a widow! lol)

[Merry]

Cripes, on the 1851 census the head of house is Arthur de Freyne, an Irish peer aged 60. I googled him, and:

Arthur French, 1st Baron de Freyne and de Freyne (1786 – 29 September 1856)

So, is Mary French his wife/unmarried partner?

[ElizabethHerts]

Parish Records Collection - marriage
Year: 1834
Supplied Surname: GUNTRIP
Surname: GUNTRIP
Full First name: Eln
Supplied First Name: Eln
Spouse Surname: WALFORD
Spouse Full First name: Alfred
Spouse First Name: Alf
Place: WESTMINSTER (ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE)
County: London
Record source: Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1840

Is this them, Merry?
Data provider: Society of Genealogists

[Merry]

Wow!! Thanks Elizabeth!! Where did that come from?

(she was young!!)

[ElizabethHerts]

FMP, Merry.

The Guntrip sisters were with Ellen in 1841, mistranscribed by FMP as Gantriss:

1841
WALFORD, Ellen F 20 1821 Middlesex
WALFORD, Theodore M 4 1837 Middlesex
WALFORD, George M 2 1839 Middlesex
GANTRISS, Elizth F 20 1821 Middlesex
GANTRISS, Alice F 15 1826 Middlesex
TAPLIN, Walter M 28 1813
TAPLIN, Sarah F 28 1813
WEBB, Sarah F 50 1791
DREW, Martha F 20 1821

[Merry]

lol I obviously looked hard at that census!

[ElizabethHerts]

You should find the marriage here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/registerbookmar02bargoog/registerbookmar02bargoog_djvu.txt

[Merry]

Thanks very much, Elizabeth. That tidies up another loose end.

I decided today to look at the approx 140 women on my tree who don't have a surname......That's one down, 139 to go! lol

[ElizabethHerts]

July 7 1834
Alfred George Walford and Ellen Guntrip

http://www.archive.org/stream/registerbookmar02bargoog#page/n222/mode/2up

I hope the link works!

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks very much, Elizabeth. That tidies up another loose end.

I decided today to look at the approx 140 women on my tree who don't have a surname......That's one down, 139 to go! lol

Ooh, I do that every so often. I can't stand all those surnameless Anns and Marys at the top of my tree!

[Merry]

You should find the marriage here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/registerbookmar02bargoog/registerbookmar02bargoog_djvu.txt

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................ *struggles*

[ElizabethHerts]

Try the second link.

Page 211

[Merry]

Ooh, I do that every so often. I can't stand all those surnameless Anns and Marys at the top of my tree!

Me neither - I have over 25 Marys. :(

[Merry]

My computer hates those books. it kept freezing and my mouse kept vanishing! Anyway, thankyou I found it eventually on 7th July with his name in two parts! :D Very happy now!

Thanks again :)