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Geoff
15-10-11, 00:37
Hello everybody,
I'm at a dead end. I have a family of 3, father Henry Miles, born Coventry 1854, wife Catherine (nee Whitehead) born Brackley 1859, son William Henry born Coventry 1879 (3 years before Henry & Catherine wed but registered as Miles). The last I can find for them is 1891 census when they were living at 1, 14 Court, Gosford Street, Coventry. Unless I've overlooked something, the only thing I can think of is that they emigrated. But where? Has anyone any tips on where to look please?
Thanks, Geoff
tenterfieldjulie
15-10-11, 03:57
Another possibility Geoff is that he died and she remarried. Have you tried looking for a 2nd marriage for Catherine.
Merry
15-10-11, 07:46
EDIT - forget this post because it isn't him!! (As I expect you know there are two horsekeeping Henry's, same age, on the 1891 census and the other one is already in Yorkshire!! I'm leaving the post up to save anyone else making the same mistake lol)

Henry Miles, 54, married, horse keeper, b Cov is on the 1911 census :)

RG14PN27833 RD509 SD7 ED3 SN122

I guess that's likely to be him even if he's dropped a couple if years, given the occupation.

Annoyingly, I can't find Catherine easily and he doesn't have his wife with him, but he might be married to someone else. This could be your Catherine (a little young):

Deaths Jun 1899
Miles Catherine 37 Coventry 6d 304

I still can't find Henry in 1901 and if his son was independent by then there are couple of possibilities or he might be hiding with dad!
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 08:08
Son William is married in 1901:

MILES, William Head Married M 22 1879 Bicycle Brazier Coventry
Warwickshire
MILES, Lydia Wife Married F 23 1878 Birmingham Warwickshire
MILES, William Albert Son M 3 1898 Coventry Warwickshire
MILES, Elsie Florence Daughter F 2 1899 Coventry Warwickshire

Look where they are living:

Address: 35, 2, Court House, Gosford Street, Coventry
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 08:10
Here is the marriage:

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: MILES, William Henry
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 1040


RAFFERTY, Lydia
Merry
15-10-11, 08:13
Oooh, I didn't look at the addresses! (obviously!!)
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 09:12
A possible death for Lydia Miles (wife of William Henry)?

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: MILES, Lydia
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1936
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 58
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 736
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 09:14
William's death?

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: MILES, William H
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1945
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 66
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 605
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 09:31
I wonder what happened?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5u616cvfta77gu9kumiugeuuq7&action=printpage;topic=459857.0

"cant see lydia and william and daughter elsie florence in 1911 but i do see this one-
william miles 12yrs inmate at the workhouse scattered home,whitley boys homefor children under the control of guardians in whitley nr coventry he was born coventry.
regards
alli"
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 09:42
Did you already have this information, Geoff? I have seen postings by you on other sites.
Geoff
15-10-11, 10:19
Did you already have this information, Geoff? I have seen postings by you on other sites.

No Elizabeth, I didn't! Must go out now but will reply fully later today, meanwhile thanks for your efforts.
Geoff
15-10-11, 16:08
Elizabeth,

I'm back and have looked at the info. I've already made a mistake with this bunch, adding the wrong William Henry Miles (and others) to my tree. Miles seems to be a common name in Coventry. But it looks like you got the right one, certainly the death ages for both him and Lydia are correct. But where were they in 1911? It looks like a classic shotgun wedding; I see they married in 2nd qtr 1897 and William Albert was born in 3rd qtr 1897. Odd that he is the only one traceable in 1911. Do you think he was a problem child and was fostered to the Whitley home, is it some sort of approved school? There is another Miles/Rafferty child born 1915 (a big gap so I suspect there could have been others between 1899-1915) this is:
Births Jun 1915
Miles Bailluel R Rafferty Coventry 6d 1426
a most unusual forename.
Marriages Jun 1942
Lomas Grace Miles Coventry 6d 2223
Miles Bailluel R Lomas Coventry 6d 2223

Births Sep 1942
Miles Maureen L Lomas Coventry 6d 1302

This family obviously made a habit of getting married with the bride pregnant, didn't they? There are 3 further children 1944-1947, all born in Durham and a 4th back in Coventry in 1956, a 5th in 1961. With no other Miles/Lomas marriages registered in England/Wales 1940-1966, I guess it is safe to assume they are all Bailluel's children.

So some progress made but still nothing definite re Henry and Catherine.
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 16:20
Take a look at this, Geoff!

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: MILES, Elsie Florence
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1990
Month of Registration: November
Date of Birth: 26 October 1898
Volume No: 33
Page No: 227
Reg No: 1190

I was expecting her to have died young!
Geoff
15-10-11, 16:27
Take a look at this, Geoff!

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: MILES, Elsie Florence
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1990
Month of Registration: November
Date of Birth: 26 October 1898
Volume No: 33
Page No: 227
Reg No: 1190

I was expecting her to have died young!

So she never married then, probablyone of those women who lost a sweetheart in WW1 and never found another partner.
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 16:38
Where are the family in 1911? Very frustrating!
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 16:40
Could this be another child?

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: MILES, Catherine Mazillah
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 532

I think I saw the name Mazillah for earlier generations of the family on another site.
Geoff
15-10-11, 16:49
Where are the family in 1911? Very frustrating!

Yes, it's really bugging me. However Im just going through all the Miles births registered in Coventry 1901-1911 and this one leapt off the page:

Births Mar 1902
Miles Catherine Mazillah Coventry 6d 535

Catherine is an obvious choice (grandmother) but Mazillah was Catherine's mother's name!! Again highly unusual and I could write a book about the problems I had plotting her through censuses, the name was spelt differently every time, and she had 3 husbands and an illegitimate daughter I'm still trying to find, But i would think this is very likely to be Wm & Lydia's daughter, don't you think?
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 16:54
This child is also missing on the 1911 census!
ElizabethHerts
15-10-11, 16:56
She married Edwin Lamb in June qr 1923 in Coventry.
Geoff
15-10-11, 17:06
Yes I've just found that and her death too:
Marriages Jun 1923
Miles Catherine M Lamb Coventry 6d 1262
Lamb Edwin Miles Coventry 6d 1262

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: LAMB, Catherine M
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1968
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 66
Volume No: 9C
Page No: 695
and 4 children!!

As you say, why wasn't she in 1911 census? and how many more children were there? Such a nuisance they didn't start getting mother's surnames till 1911!!! GRRR!!