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Juliana Denison married James Hamerton St Michael, Wood Street, London in 1778.
She died in 1847 so she should be around in 1841 but I can't see her. Husband James died in 1811, so she should be alone. James was a grocer living in Chancery Lane, Holborn, London. He left Juliana the lease on the Chancery Lane House as well as 2 houses rented in St Mary le Bone [sic] nos. 22 and 23.
I'd be grateful if you could look for her in 1841 - and if anyone could find a baptism that would be fantastic! I'm assuming she was born around 1756.
Many thanks.
Had a quick look but can't see her.
Can't see a christening either.
Have you got a copy of OPR of the marriage?
I looked to see which district she died in, but I can't find her registration. :o
Nor me Merry - unless she became Ann or Anna??
Julie & Merry, thanks for looking.
Her marriage is on Ancestry here: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31281_A102123-00026&fn=Juliana&ln=Denison&st=r&ssrc=&pid=1482945
The whole Denison clan are driving me nuts!
I can't think how Hamerton could be mistranscribed and I am also puzzled her death doesn't seem to be registered.
Do you know where she died?
Death registration was not compulsory until the 1870s (just like births!)
I know!
I assume she died in Holborn but I don't know. She is one of the pieces in my hideously complicated Denison jigsaw. Without a baptism I am guessing where she fits in the tree. I can't find a burial for her husband and they don't appear to have had any children.
Thanks for looking, anyway.
So, how do you know she died in 1847??? :)
Ah!!
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1704&iid=31787_A037341-01140&fn=Juliana&ln=Hamerton&st=d&ssrc=&pid=369098
She died in 1807!!
maggie_4_7
27-09-11, 21:19
And this is her burial I think
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&f35=julian&f37=hamerton&sx=&f21=&f25=&rg_f29__date=&rs_f29__date=0&f2=&f12=&f6=&f22=&f26=&rg_f30__date=&rs_f30__date=0&f3=&f13=&f7=&f23=&f27=&rg_f31__date=1807&rs_f31__date=0&f4=&f14=&f8=&f67=&f69=&f51=&f53=&f59=&f61=&f82=Burial&gskw=&prox=1&db=lmaearlyparish&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=5&h=844046&recoff=4+5
ElizabethHerts
27-09-11, 21:25
Husband James died in 1811, so she should be alone. James was a grocer living in Chancery Lane, Holborn, London. He left Juliana the lease on the Chancery Lane House as well as 2 houses rented in St Mary le Bone [sic] nos. 22 and 23.
But she couldn't have died in 1807??
Something's not adding up here!
Hang on, let me double check what you have found.
The probate applied for in 1848 describes Juliana as the "wife of James Hamerton, late of Chancery Lane" which fits with James' Will of 1811.
Elizabeth, administration was granted in 1847, but the dec'd died in 1808.
Sounds a bit dodgy to me given the amount of money involved (under £3,000)!
Hang on, let me double check what you have found.
The probate applied for in 1848 describes Juliana as the "wife of James Hamerton, late of Chancery Lane" which fits with James' Will of 1811.
Yes, but it says James was a widower at death and Juliana died on or about Christmas day 1808!
maggie_4_7
27-09-11, 21:35
Yes, but it says James was a widower at death and Juliana died on or about Christmas day 1808!
1807 buried 6th Jan 1808.
Hold on. I've just realised I misread the death as 1847 which would make sense if probate was applied for 1848.
But if Juliana died in 1807 her husband can't have left her anything in his Will. And why would her niece be applying for probate 41 years later? Do you think the date of death is wrong on the application and they missed out the forty?
Sorry, yes, 1807!
I guess James's will was signed some years before his death?
Do you think the date of death is wrong on the application and they missed out the forty?
No.......otherwise who did they bury???!!!! lol
Maggie
Thanks for finding the burial. It would fit with a death in Dec 1807 that she'd be buried Jan 1808 but that doesn't explain the probate or her husband's Will.
Nothing - nothing is straightforward with this lot!
maggie_4_7
27-09-11, 21:39
Further on in the will for James Hamerton in fact page 5:-
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/View.aspx?dbid=1704&path=1811.H.Hamerton.5
maggie_4_7
27-09-11, 21:41
I think that because Juliana died before James and when he died his will was invalid because she predeceased him and I expect it took them that long to grant both in favour of the Neice.
Maggie
Thanks for your eagle-eyed help! It would explain why I can't find Juliana in 1841 or a death in 1847!
But 41 years is a jolly long time, isn't it? Even with "the law's delay"?!
Richard Britton only left under £450 in 1866.
Juliana and James together with various other Denisons are involved in the Chancery case about Samuel Denison's Will. Perhaps all the delay about their estate was because that case hadn't been sorted. I just can't make any sense of it at all. The papers mention all the people but don't tell me how they are connected. I know from James' Will that his wife Juliana had a sister called Ann Atkinson, who is one of the people named. But I can't find a baptism or marriage or death for her. It's so frustrating.
maggie_4_7
28-09-11, 05:23
Its possible that for some reason (no idea why) they believed James would died first leave everything to Juliana and then she would leave everything to the neice. Perhaps because Juliana died first unexpectedly James challenged her will (might have something to do with the neice's husband see Merry's post) perhaps James had no idea she'd left her money to the neice - which held it up and then he died without changing his will leaving everything to Juliana who was already dead which complicated matters even more.
But the wills are full of holes they should have put a few more bits in to cover each other's deaths.
And you're right Nell that could have been the reason other Wills were held up the line of inheritance would have been a bit complicated after that little fiasco.
I sense a book coming on! lol
There's a generation in between isn't there? The surname Hoyle wasn't it? Christiana Boyce dau of John Boyce married Richard Britton in 1837. Is Hoyle her mmn perhaps?
James' will is dated 1804. Everything to Juliana and after her death to his niece and Nephew Thomas and Elizabeth Hoyle. There's also a bit about receiving £1500 from Mrs Lucy Bowyer when she dies, but I didn't take that in properly!
maggie_4_7
28-09-11, 06:33
Having thought about it it was a daft thing to do not to change his will so one can only assume his wife's will came as a shock to him he probably thought she had left everthing to him so perhaps he purposely didn't change his will to complicate matters further.
Maybe between writing his and Juliana dying he became incapable of making a new will?
maggie_4_7
28-09-11, 13:10
Maybe between writing his and Juliana dying he became incapable of making a new will?
Oh yes its probably that but I like to weave fantastic stories :D
Well the Lucy Bowyer or Bowzer who was to have left £1,2000 was the widow of Samuel Denison, whose will was disputed. I can't make head or tail of it but it hinged on property Lucy owned before her marriage and a revoked codicil which left money to Samuel's nephew Samuel Price Denison.
Don't get me started on the Prices! I don't know how they fit in, but Juliana's marriage was witnessed by a Mary Price & a Thomas Price and Samuel mentions his "niece Mary Gason" who turns out to be a Mary Price who married Walter Fletcher Gason, who is also involved in the disputed Will.
I know they are all related but I can't work out exactly HOW. I have a baptism here, a marriage there, maybe a burial or a Will or an insurance document, but I don't have a complete set for any individual except Samuel Price Denison.
Hey ho!
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