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kiterunner
23-09-11, 23:07
Name - "official" name and what they were known as Ellen Barton
Date and place of birth About 1769, in or near Preston, Lancashire
Names of parents Edmund Barton and Anne Wilcock
Date and place of baptism - if applicable 5 Aug 1769 St John, Preston
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any 26 Dec 1787 at St John's, Preston, to Henry Wood
Occupation(s) - if any Farmer's wife
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1787 - Ingol, Preston, Lancashire
1794 - Ashton, Preston, Lancashire
1805-1810 Ingol,
1823- Grimsargh, Lancashire
Date, place and cause of death 1823 Grimsargh, Lancashire, not got cause
Date and place of burial. 1 Jul 1823 St John, Preston, Lancashire
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable None
Memorial inscription - if any Not found

Link to son's thread:
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=9509

kiterunner
23-09-11, 23:49
Ooh, this is good! I had a note I made some time ago saying her parents' marriage might be Edward Barton / Anne Wilcock 28 Oct 1760 at St John Preston, but I couldn't find any children to fill in the gap between then and Ellen's birth - now Lancs OPC has come up trumps! I've found 3 children to fill in that gap, so I'm sure that's the right marriage and can fill Anne's surname in above.

Trell
02-09-13, 14:49
Have been trying to trace ancestors of Thomas Barton born 1810 at Preston. Lancashire OPC gives only one possibility. Born 22 Mar 1810, Bap. 29 Apr 1810 at St John's Preston.
Base child of Ellen Barton. I look for Ellen's Bap. possibly 18 May 1779, daub. of Thomas Barton and Jane, again at St John's Preston. I look for their marriage, possibly married 14 Feb 1775 at St John's Preston, Thomas Barton, Joiner and Jane Alsop.
Do you have any other suggestions for this line from Thomas born 1810?
Trell

kiterunner
02-09-13, 14:56
I don't think your Ellen Barton is the same person as mine, Trell? My Ellen got married in 1787.

What information do you have about Thomas Barton, apart from his year and place of birth? Do you have him on any censuses? Did he marry? Have children? What was his occupation? When and where did he die? Did he leave a will? If you give us all the info that you have, it might make it easier for us to look for possible baptisms etc.

Trell
03-09-13, 15:08
Thomas Barton, born 1810, Lea, Preston. married Margaret Kay 1834 St John's, Preston. Thomas died 1873 at Balderstone, nr Blackburn. Occupation all his life, Farmer. Margaret also died 1873. Both buried at Balderstone.
1841 census through to 1871 census, living Balderstone.
Children - Edmund, born 1835, died 1905
Margaret Elizabeth, born 1842, died 1910
Jane, born 1846. died 1894
Mary Ann, born, 1848. died 1883
Thomas, born 1853. died 1919.

Trell

kiterunner
03-09-13, 15:27
Lancs OPC has this information about the marriage:
Marriage: 2 Apr 1834 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Barton - Bachelor, Balderstone in the Parish of Blackburn
Margaret Kay - (X), Spinster, Elston in this Parish
Witness: John Woods, (X); Ann Ashton, (X)

Trell
03-09-13, 15:40
I refer to my question to you yesterday about who the ancestors of Thomas Barton. I suggested his mother to be Ellen Barton. Thomas being her base child. I also gave suggestions as to her parents etc. Can you help any further?

Regards
Trell

kiterunner
03-09-13, 15:54
Is this the family in 1841, at Balderstone?

1841 census ancestry (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=tho*&gsln=b%3frton&sx=&f1=Lancashire&f2=&f3=&f18=&rg_81004011__date=1811&rs_81004011__date=0&_82004011=&_82004013=&f7=&f20=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1841&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=16&h=3364520&recoff=6+7&fsk=CIAAIxIADL1o&bsk=&pgoff=&ml_rpos=17)
Thomas Burton 30 Farmer Y
Margaret Do 30 Y
Edward do 7 Y
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Edward Burton 65 Independent (? not sure if that's what it says)
John Wall 17

The surname looks like Burton, but if you look at the names with an a in them on that page, such as Thomas and Margaret, those a's look like u's too.

Lancs OPC has Edmund's baptism down as Burton too, 6 Jul 1834 at St John Preston, occupation Elston, father's occupation husbandman.

If that is them on the 1841 census then I think it is likely that Thomas is a relative of the Edward who is age 65.

Thomas's ages on the other censuses:
1851 - 43
1861 - 52
1871 - 63
And on the burial 21 Apr 1873, and his death registration, his age is 65.

So this would suggest he was born around 1807-1809, not 1810. Of course ages on the censuses and on burials and deaths are not always accurate.

I will see if I can find anything else...

Trell
03-09-13, 15:58
Yes, this is the same. Thank you.

Trell

kiterunner
03-09-13, 16:00
I'm trying to find a Thomas connected with an Edward or Edmund at the moment.

kiterunner
03-09-13, 16:09
Lancashire BMD has a death registration for Edmund Barton in 1846, Mellor sub-district (same sub-district where the children's births were registered), age 73. FreeBMD shows the death was registered in the Oct-Dec quarter, Blackburn district. It's possible that his death certificate might give some information as to how he was related to Thomas but quite possible it won't. I can't see a burial for Edmund on Lancs OPC, nor a will on the Lancashire will search site.

There seem to be a lot of Edmund Bartons around, but I see that Lancs OPC has the baptism of an Edward Barton 24 Jun 1814 at St Michael, Kirkham, son of Edmond Barton and Ellen, abode Lea, occupation husbandman. I wonder if this is the same family?

kiterunner
03-09-13, 16:23
Edmund Barton of the parish of Preston and Ellen Dickenson of this chapelry married in this chapel by banns the 3rd July 1809, witnesses Robert Dickinson and John Valentine.

Other children of Edmund and Ellen baptised at Kirkham:
William 11 Feb 1816, abode Lea, occupation weaver
John 17 Dec 1820, abode Lea, occupation weaver

Oooh, there is a baptism at Kirkham of a Thomas Barton 10th Jan 1808, son of Edward and Jane. This is on ancestry, not sure if you will be able to view it :
Thomas Barton baptism (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2478/32883_276411-00128/9503527?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLancashireParish%252c%26rank% 3d0%26gsfn%3ded*d%26gsln%3db%253frton%26sx%3d%26gs 1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b%26 year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d0%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3d0 %26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3dr% 26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-d%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d60%26bsk%3dCIA ACa4AAchl&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Eighth entry on the right-hand page. The "abode" column is pretty faint but I think it says Lea.

I'm not sure whether Jane died soon after Thomas was born and Edward / Edmund remarried to an Ellen, or if Edmund and Ellen are one big red herring! Unfortunately their marriage does not show whether Edmund was a widower.

But in any case, this baptism looks likely for your Thomas, don't you think, given that an Edward is with him on the 1841 census?

kiterunner
03-09-13, 16:42
I can't find a burial for Jane Barton around 1808 or 1809 but of course that doesn't mean there isn't one!

Maybe it would be worth you getting that Edmund Barton death certificate (mentioned in post #11) in the hope that it says informant is his son Thomas Barton.

Also, do you have a copy of Thomas Barton's will? Does it mention a brother or sister, nephew or niece or anyone like that?

Trell
11-09-13, 10:08
Sorry not replied sooner. Will follow up your suggestion. Not got the will of Thomas Barton.

Trell