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Ann from Sussex
22-09-11, 16:13
Ancestry have an army record with the following information on it which could possibly help knock a chink in one of my brickwalls:

GEORGE BEAUMONT born 1879/1880 at Emsworth,Hampshire enlisted in the Royal Army Service Corps at Aldershot 12th July 1898. He was 18 years and 7 months old. His occupation was "Groom".

His next of kin are

Father: T (or it might be J) BEAUMONT.

Mother : M. BEAUMONT
both of King Street,Emsworth,Hampshire plus

Y.brother: ED. BEAUMONT ( I take this to mean younger brother).

It isn't clear when the next of kin details were entered as he served until 1910 and then again in WW1 until 1918 and they are in totally different hand writing to anything else on the document.

My problem is that I can't find any other record of this family anywhere. They aren't on the '81,'91 or '01 censuses (although George himself was in S. Africa in 1901). Emsworth is on the outskirts of Havant in the enumeration district of Warblington. I have been through every page of the Emsworth returns for '91 and '01 (and I found King Street on both) but there is no-one called Beaumont in the entire village.

The only Beaumont birth registrations around the right time that I can find in the Havant Registration district which included Emsworth are for GEORGE BERTIE BEAUMONT in March 1886 and EDWARD CHARLES V.BEAUMONT in Dec 1887. This pair were indeed brothers as I've found them on the 1891 census (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/browse/view.aspx?dbid=6598&iid=HAMRG12_850_853-0289&pid=9894833&ssrc=&fn=Edward&ln=Beaumont&st=g) where George Bertie is listed as Bertie. They were with their parents.... who were George and Emma. Not the family I'm looking for then! Anyway,by 1901 the whole family, including George Bertie, had moved to Sussex and,as I said, the George I'm looking for was in S. Africa then.

This lot are proving to be as big a mystery as the great grandfather (also called George Beaumont) I'm hoping they might shed some light on. I have never found any record of his birth or early life. The reason I'm interested in these Emsworth Beaumonts is because my George gave "Woodlands, Havant,Hampshire" as his intended address when he left the army in 1877. I have never known why as there has never been any other connection with Havant. Woodlands is a hamlet and a large house near to Emsworth and in the same enumeration district. The George who joined the army in 1898 is the same generation as my grandfather and his brothers so I'm wondering if his father was my great grandfather's brother. I need to find him before I can work on that theory though!

Is anyone up for a challenge please?

Phoenix
22-09-11, 16:37
He was previously in the militia. Father's name Thomas. That gives an additional address of Silver Lion Inn Little Road Dover.

Phoenix
22-09-11, 17:16
Okay, it's the Silver Lion MIDDLE ROW Dover. http://www.dover-kent.com/Silver-Lion.html

Presumably an accomodation address.

kiterunner
22-09-11, 17:20
There is this family on the 1891:
King Street, Emsworth, Warblington, Hampshire
Beaumont Rogers Head M 58 Bookkeeper Lancashire Manchester
Matilda Rogers Wife M 42 Devon Plymouth
George B Rogers Son 10 Hants Emsworth
Nora Rogers Daur 8 Hants Emsworth
Florence Rogers Daur 6 Hants Emsworth
Edward Rogers Son 2 Hants Emsworth

kiterunner
22-09-11, 17:28
And in 1881 at the same address:
Beaumont Rogers Head Mar 48 Clerk to Timber Merchant Lancashire Manchester
Matilda Do Wife Mar 31 Devon Plymouth
Emma Do Daur 14 Scholar Sussex Chichester
Herbert do Son 12 do Do Do
George B Rogers Son 4 months Hants Emsworth

kiterunner
22-09-11, 17:37
In 1901 at 20 King Street, Emsworth / Warblington
Beaumont Rogers Head M 70 late Clerk to Timber Merchant Lanc Manchester
Matilda Do Wife M 52 Devon Devonport
Florence do Daur S 16 Assistant to General House Furnisher Hants Emsworth
Herbert Hodgson Son 12 Hants Emsworth
Jack Lay Visitor 5 London St Pancras

I can't see George Rogers on the 1901 with a quick search. Birth registered as George Beaumont Rodgers Jan-Mar 1881 Havant.

kiterunner
22-09-11, 17:39
I have been through every page of the Emsworth returns for '91 and '01 (and I found King Street on both) but there is no-one called Beaumont in the entire village.


You must have been concentrating on the surnames, Ann!

Phoenix
22-09-11, 17:42
Matilda is even still going strong in 1911. It's crossed out, but she says married 35 years and 4 children., all still alive.

kiterunner
22-09-11, 18:09
Yes, the eldest two children Herbert and Emma were Beaumont's children by his previous wife Elizabeth. On the 1871 census Beaumont says he was born Huddersfield Yorkshire rather than Manchester.

Ann from Sussex
22-09-11, 18:19
Thank you so much! I can't believe I missed those census entries, except.......

You must have been concentrating on the surnames, Ann!

Yes, I was!

Off now to investigate whether or not I can tie up this family with my George B. although, given the Manchester connection, I'm not hopeful since he was supposed to be a Sussex man.

Ann from Sussex
23-09-11, 16:15
He was previously in the militia. Father's name Thomas. That gives an additional address of Silver Lion Inn Little Road Dover.

Oh, I'm getting nowhere with this family.....except that Thomas Beaumont Rogers the Younger was imprisoned for three months in Ipswich for embezzlement in 1862 and in 1841, what must be another TBR (the elder perhaps?) applied to be declared insolvent whilst in Ipswich Gaol! I can't find anything that connects any of them to my great grandfather. Maybe he feels I'm getting too close though because I had just posted my thanks on this thread last night when our broadband connection went AWOL and it has only recently come back!

Phoenix, could you post a link to where-ever you found the militia record for George Beaumont with father's name Thomas, please?

kiterunner
23-09-11, 16:38
I don't think that Thomas Beaumont Rogers family from Ipswich is connected to the Beaumont Rogers family we were looking at.

Ann from Sussex
23-09-11, 16:40
I don't think that Thomas Beaumont Rogers family from Ipswich is connected to the Beaumont Rogers family we were looking at.

You wouldn't think so would you? Still...it's an unusual combination of names.

Phoenix
23-09-11, 16:46
Have pm'd you, Ann

Merry
02-01-19, 09:22
In 1901 at 20 King Street, Emsworth / Warblington
Beaumont Rogers Head M 70 late Clerk to Timber Merchant Lanc Manchester
Matilda Do Wife M 52 Devon Devonport
Florence do Daur S 16 Assistant to General House Furnisher Hants Emsworth
Herbert Hodgson Son 12 Hants Emsworth
Jack Lay Visitor 5 London St Pancras

I can't see George Rogers on the 1901 with a quick search. Birth registered as George Beaumont Rodgers Jan-Mar 1881 Havant.

mmn Harding

Merry
02-01-19, 09:41
George Beaumont Rodgers has an entry in the United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership entries:

In 1914 he said he was aged 35 and living at Messina where he was a railway inspector.

Ann from Sussex
09-01-19, 12:31
Thank you Merry. I have just been revisiting what I know about my gt grandfather and have rejoined Ancestry in the hope of breaking down the brickwall. Someone on there has him in their tree so I contacted her. She is actually related to my gt grandmother and doesn't know as much about George Beaumont as I do. However we have exchanged messages and she is going to see if she can discover any more about him. This combination of names, coupled with my G.B. giving that Havant address on his army discharge papers does seem odd....plus the fact that my sister tells me our mother told her that there was some family connection with Chichester. I've never found one...except that Havant and Chichester are quite close to each other.

Merry
27-08-20, 20:12
Who was it he doesn't seem to have married?!

kiterunner
27-08-20, 22:54
I think this is her, Merry:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1987

Merry
28-08-20, 06:36
Thanks Kate.

kiterunner
28-08-20, 15:48
There is a Male Beaumont birth registered Oct-Dec 1838 Brighton (aka Brighthelmstone), MMN Tippin. There doesn't seem to be an accompanying death as there often is with births just registered as "Male" or "Female".

I haven't managed to find a Beaumont / Tippin marriage yet to try to follow this up. The nearest I have so far is Abraham Beaumont / Mary Topham 6 Nov 1815 at Huddersfield and Samuel Beaumont / Nancy Topham 27 Mar 1815 also at Huddersfield. FMP said I had previously viewed these, so maybe I have gone down this path before? I should think these are both unlikely for the parents of a child born 1838, anyway.

Merry
28-08-20, 16:20
Kate, have you looked for any further children with the same name combination?

kiterunner
28-08-20, 16:24
I have, but I didn't find any. But the GRO site isn't very good with similar sounding names (apparently Steel doesn't sound like Steele!) so I suppose I'd better try putting Tipping in too.

kiterunner
28-08-20, 16:28
Tried that, but still didn't find any.

Merry
28-08-20, 16:34
Oooh! I just found this one:

First name(s) FRANCES MARIA
Last name BEAUMONT
Birth year 1841
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Tippens
District Lewes
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 7
Page 345

No death before 1851 unless it's spelled incorrectly.

Merry
28-08-20, 16:37
Parents are Robert and Ann. No child to fit the 1838 birth on the 1851 census.

Merry
28-08-20, 16:38
Oh, that's not true! Edward is 12, not 17, so the 1838 child is probably him.

kiterunner
28-08-20, 16:49
Well done, Merry. I guess that rules him out, unless he changed his name to George!

kiterunner
28-08-20, 16:54
I had already noted down that Edward, son of Robert, married Jane Marshall in 1872. So he can't be George since George is down as George on the 1871 census.

Merry
28-08-20, 16:56
Yes, I was hoping that, but I suppose this is probably the same man:

Edward Beaumont
b abt 1836 death reg Oct-Nov-Dec 1894 Brighton Sussex