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Merry
20-09-11, 20:13
Link to this thread added to BK6

These are the details I have so far on one of my 3xg-grandmothers, Mary nee Langford:

b abt 1775 (from age at death)
Not born in Hertfordshire (1841)
Mary witnessed the marriage of her future sister-in-law at Hackney in 1799. She signed her name.
Mary married James Smith in Standon Herts in Feb 1800. Witnesses illegible, but not Smith or Langford. Bride and groom signed (exact match to the Hackney sig.)
Mary and James Smith lived in Standon until at least 1852 (if I could find them on the 1851 census I probably would not be writing this post!)
Mary died Whittlesford Cambs in 1860, the year after her husband.

Possible clues re her birth:

A submitted baptism for an Ann Langford at Standon 25th Dec 1786 parents Francis and Mary Langford

Militia lists for Standon 1787
Francis Langford excise officer

Burial for Francis Langford at Ware Herts 20th June 1817 aged 71 (so b abt 1746)
Likey burial for wife Mary at Ware Herts 14th Dec 1821 aged 66 (so b abt 1755)

Will for Francis Langford of Barkway Herts excise officer signed 3rd Feb 1802 proved 5th June 1818. Everything to Mary Langford, relict.

No will found for Mary.

I have no idea if this is connected:

Baptism of William Langford son of Francis and Mary at St George The Martyr, Surrey. The baptism was 18th Dec 1807 but the date of birth for William is 4th April 1785! (no occ given for the father, unfortunately)

I'm imagining Francis and Mary marrying about 1775 and producing their daughter Mary soon after. They then move to Herts by 1886 and remain there for the rest of their lives.

I have these baptisms for the children of James Smith and Mary nee Langford:

27 APR 1800 Mary
29 NOV 1801 John
29 May 1803 Francis
05 NOV 1805 Jane
15 JUL 1810 Henry
16 MAY 1813 Edward

I can't help noticing that they have a Francis in there! John is the name of James Smith's father.

So..............can anyone find anything else? :o

ElizabethHerts
20-09-11, 20:23
I'm imagining Francis and Mary marrying about 1775 and producing their daughter Mary soon after. They then move to Herts by 1886 and remain there for the rest of their lives.


So..............can anyone find anything else? :o

This is a possible marriage, Merry:

Day: 12
Month: Jul
Year: 1772
Groom Forenames: Francis
Groom Surname: LANGFORD
Bride Forenames: Mary
Bride Surname: GARDINER
Place: Fulham
County: Middlesex
Country: England
Record source: West Middlesex Marriage Index
Data provider: West Middlesex Family History Society

Merry
20-09-11, 20:25
Oooh, thats' interesting! I don't think I've every looked at that marriage index (didn't know it existed!)

Thank you.

Merry
20-09-11, 20:27
Oh, I see it's on FMP. I looked there :(:(:( Obviously not properly! lol

Merry
20-09-11, 20:53
I wonder if this is one of Francis's relatives?

Will of Charles Langford, Officer of Excise of Lambeth, Surrey probate 15 May 1767

ElizabethHerts
20-09-11, 21:00
I wonder if this is one of Francis's relatives?

Will of Charles Langford, Officer of Excise of Lambeth, Surrey probate 15 May 1767

It could well be, Merry. A huge coincidence otherwise!:)

ElizabethHerts
20-09-11, 21:05
Hmm, another will of interest?

Description Will of Francis Langford, Carpenter and Wheelwright of Lambeth , Surrey
Date 11 May 1807
Catalogue reference PROB 11/1461links to the Catalogue
Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury
Series Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers
Piece Name of Register: Lushington Quire Numbers: 383 - 437
Image contains 1 will of many for the catalogue reference

Documents on Line, TNA

I have put this up, Merry, because of the name of Francis and also it is another Lambeth one.

ElizabethHerts
20-09-11, 21:06
Following the Lambeth theme, there is this too:

Will of James Langford, Wheelwright of Lambeth , Surrey 23 January 1806 PROB 11/1437

Merry
20-09-11, 21:18
I think I need some 18thC census records!!

Why couldn't Mary L have left a will? :( (or at least one I can find!)

kiterunner
20-09-11, 21:20
I think I need some 18thC census records!!

Why couldn't Mary L have left a will? :( (or at least one I can find!)

Have you checked on the Index to Death Duty Registers?

kiterunner
20-09-11, 21:25
Baptism 5 Oct 1827 at St Mary Lambeth - Mary, daughter of Francis and Mary Langford, wife of Charles Clark. Mount Street, Carpenter. It doesn't give her date of birth.

Merry
20-09-11, 21:25
I've only checked 1822 at the moment. Will have another go tomorrow. Some of the writing left a lot to be desired!!!

Merry
20-09-11, 21:26
Baptism 5 Oct 1827 at St Mary Lambeth - Mary, daughter of Francis and Mary Langford, wife of Charles Clark. Mount Street, Carpenter. It doesn't give her date of birth.

I don't like the sound of that!

ElizabethHerts
20-09-11, 21:27
No, nor do I.

kiterunner
20-09-11, 21:28
Mary Langford married Charles Clark 4 Nov 1804 at Lambeth. So I would think that that Mary is the sister of the William you found, and they're not the same family as the Herts ones.

kiterunner
20-09-11, 21:29
I would think the Francis who died in 1807 is the father of the Lambeth William and Mary while the Francis who died in 1817 is still a possible for the father of your Mary?

Merry
20-09-11, 21:40
That's better! lol

I saw that Mary Clarke (and Charles, now a wheelwright like some of the Langfords Elizabeth found) of Mount Street were still having babies up to the end of the 1830s, though I couldn't see them in 1841 straight off.

Merry
20-09-11, 21:42
Hmmm,....I forgot they married in 1804, so scrap that! I agree that Wm and Mary would seem to be the children of the Lambeth Francis though.

Merry
20-09-11, 21:48
I suppose the marriage Elizabeth found may be for the wrong couple too. :o

I will look harder for a will for Mary Langford tomorrow.

Phoenix
21-09-11, 11:41
I'm fairly sure that excise officers had to be sworn to as good reliable chaps, so TNA should have some records.

ElizabethHerts
21-09-11, 12:06
Well, as I saw yesterday there was a Chancery case involving Langfords and Clarks:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search/search_results.aspx?Page=1&QueryText=%22Francis+Langford%22&SelectedDatabases=A2A|ARCHON|BOOKSHOP|CABPAPERS|DO CUMENTSONLINE|EROL|MOVINGHERE|NRA|NRALISTS|PREM19| RESEARCHGUIDES|E179|CATALOGUE|WEBSITE|TRAFALGAR&SelectedSubjects=C10017&SearchType=Quick

However, the date is much earlier than you are looking for.

There are quite a few hits for Francis Langford on the TNA.

Mary from Italy
22-09-11, 08:56
I'm fairly sure that excise officers had to be sworn to as good reliable chaps, so TNA should have some records.

They do indeed, I happened to be looking for them yesterday:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/excise-officer.htm