John Tipling birth

[zoenel]

Hi everone,im now searching for a birth for John Tipling who is my gre gre gre gre grandfather and William Hairyes father in law. I know very little knowladge of the Tipling family so as wonering if you guys could help as youve been a massive help so far with my research John Tipling was born 1806 and was married to Mary Tipling in 1840 in1841 cencus he was living in Spofforth Knasbourgh,with mary,his daughter Hannah,William John.i must apolgize this all the information,i have any information would be gratfully recived

[ElizabethHerts]

So you think this is him in 1841?

1841 Census
TIPLING, John
KNARESBOROUGH, Yorkshire
HO107 piece 1289 folio 6/7 page 8

TIPLING, Mary F 41 1800 Publican Yorkshire
TIPLING, Mary F 17 1824 F S [female Servant] Yorkshire
TIPLING, Hannah F 12 1829 Yorkshire
TIPLING, John M 10 1831 Yorkshire
TIPLING, William M 7 1834 Yorkshire
TIPLING, John M 35 1806 M S [male Servant] Yorkshire
ROBERTS, James M 15 1826 M S [male Servant] Yorkshire

No relationships are given in the 1841 census so we don't know how he is related to Mary aged 41.

Under William aged 7 a small line is drawn, suggesting that John Tipling doesn't belong to the immediate family.


If he married in 1840 the children couldn't be his because of the ages. They have the Tipling surname so perhaps their father was a relative of his??

[ElizabethHerts]

There is this marriage in 1842:

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: TIPLING, John
Registration District: Knaresborough
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 23
Page No: 257
MarriageFinder: John Tipling married one of the following people
ATKINSON, Jane
TIPLING, Mary
HARRISON, John

[ElizabethHerts]

According to the IGI, the John Tipling born c. 1831 was christened on

13 APR 1831 Spofforth, Yorkshire

and his parents were William and Mary Tipling.

[zoenel]

hannah tipling was born 3/3/1838 in killinghall,and just to confuse things more it has father john tipling born 1806 mother elizbeth kitson,it is the father john born 1806 im intrested in the one born 1831 is his son.thanks again

[ElizabethHerts]

So by 1851 he has progressed from a male servant to a farmer of quite a few acres:

1851 Census
TIPLING, John
KNARESBOROUGH, Yorkshire (West riding)
HO107 piece 2283 folio 481 page 9

[zoenel]

could you show me that cencus on the forum please very intriged havent got ancestry on mine many thanks from zoe, how many cenus is he on,when does he die? is there anyone can find a birth for him?

[Olde Crone]

Zoenel

Mary Tipling the publican is not likely to be married to John Tipling 1806, otherwise his name would appear first on the census, as head of household

You say "it has father John born 1806" - what does?

OC

[Merry]

I don't think the 1841 census mentioned in posts 1 and 2 above is the right entry/family. You said the birth entry has her mother as Elizabeth not Mary and Hannah was b 1838 so why would she be 12 on the 1841 census?

I think this is the right family - listed by Ancestry as Kipling:

Killinghall:

Elizabeth Kipling 35 pauper Yes
William Kipling 5 Yes
Hannah Kipling 3 Yes
Charlotte Kipling 1 MO Yes

The census page does look a lot like Kipling, but there is a reg for Charlotte as well as one for Hannah as Tipling:

Births Jun 1841
Tipling Charlotte Knaresborough 23 277

[Merry]

This could be dad's death, though if it is then he can't be Charoltte's father.

Name: John Tipling
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1838
Registration district: Knaresborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 137

[zoenel]

Thanks merry ,your right, ithink the kipling spelling you found 1841 is right as everything ties in,it does say fathers name john could john be hannahs father and not charlottes or was he workin away then or dead

[zoenel]

or perhaps after her mother died hannah went to live with her father in 1851 cenus in spofforth with rest of the family,thanks

[zoenel]

i thought john was born 1806 because of 1841 showed age 35 but i dontknow hen he was born now,very confused about all of this now.please help

[Merry]

In 1851 Hannah was a servant in Ripley living in the home of a family called Jeffrey. She is listed as aged 13 and born Killinghall.

[kiterunner]

Don't forget that Isabella Fryer who was a witness at Hannah Tipling's wedding! She married a William Tipling 3 Mar 1860 at the same church where Hannah got married, and William's father is stated to be John Tipling, labourer. William age 24 on the marriage, his occupation labourer. John's occupation being labourer fits better with his widow being a pauper than him being a farmer (as stated by Hannah) would. (Witnesses at wedding William Fryer and Rachel Smith.)

[kiterunner]

i thought john was born 1806 because of 1841 showed age 35 but i dontknow hen he was born now,very confused about all of this now.please help

Ideally we would get his age at death and use that to work out when he was born.

[Merry]

Don't forget that Isabella Fryer who was a witness at Hannah Tipling's wedding! She married a William Tipling 3 Mar 1860 at the same church where Hannah got married, and William's father is stated to be John Tipling, labourer. William age 24 on the marriage, his occupation labourer. John's occupation being labourer fits better with his widow being a pauper than him being a farmer (as stated by Hannah) would.

So William is Hannah's elder brother and is the other witness at her wedding.

I just looked to see if there is an age at death on Yorks BMD for the 1838 death of John Tipling, but they haven't added Knaresborough district yet.

[zoenel]

Well rembered kiterunner your right william tiplin was the witness at haanhs wedding to william hairyes.! great work finding that thanks

[Merry]

hannah tipling was born 3/3/1838 in killinghall,and just to confuse things more it has father john tipling born 1806 mother elizbeth kitson

Zoe, do you have the birth certificate, or is this the information from Family Search?

[zoenel]

Hi Merry i got that information from igi,i dont have birth certificate,sorry.do you think theres a possibilty that john tiplin is hannahs father but in the 1851 cencus in spofforth having moved in with is family after splitting with hannahs mother in killinghall? as in an earlier thread someone pointed out correctly that mary is the head of that family in spoforth could that be johns sister leting him stay with his family? many thanks any ideas would be welcome.starting to get confusing again.

[Merry]

No, I think that's unlikely. You should investigate the 1838 birth (to see Hannah's father's occ) and death certificates (to see if that John is connected to Elizabeth and if he is an adult) before you start trying to force the farmer to fit what you know already!

It's possibly Mary Tipling was a widow and she married her servant, upgrading him to farmer, but that doesn't make him Hannah's father, especially with that death cert waiting to be checked out.

[Merry]

So you think this is him in 1841?

1841 Census
TIPLING, John
KNARESBOROUGH, Yorkshire
HO107 piece 1289 folio 6/7 page 8

TIPLING, Mary F 41 1800 Publican Yorkshire
TIPLING, Mary F 17 1824 F S [female Servant] Yorkshire
TIPLING, Hannah F 12 1829 Yorkshire
TIPLING, John M 10 1831 Yorkshire
TIPLING, William M 7 1834 Yorkshire
TIPLING, John M 35 1806 M S [male Servant] Yorkshire
ROBERTS, James M 15 1826 M S [male Servant] Yorkshire

No relationships are given in the 1841 census so we don't know how he is related to Mary aged 41.

Under William aged 7 a small line is drawn, suggesting that John Tipling doesn't belong to the immediate family.


If he married in 1840 the children couldn't be his because of the ages. They have the Tipling surname so perhaps their father was a relative of his??

The IGI suggests that the parents of the children Hannah, John and William in the family above are Williiam and Mary Tipling. So, Mary may have been a widow and married her servant in 1842, but that doesn't tell you whether John is the father of Hannah and the wife of Elizabeth.

[kiterunner]

that doesn't tell you whether John is the father of Hannah and the wife of Elizabeth.

Lol!

[Merry]

Well, close!! I bet he isn't!!!!!!!!!! lol

[zoenel]

your right its hard to prove but spffoerth is a distric of harrogate,so it must be plausible they could have lived slose enough to be related john is a sevent and hannah is a servent.is there any indication of john or hannahs mother in cencus after 1851?thanks

[Merry]

But why would John marry his boss only a year after his wife had a child? I don't think you can say John who married Mary is Hannah's father without discounting the 1838 death.

is there any indication of john or hannahs mother in cencus after 1851?thanks

We don't know who John's mother is as we don't know who John is yet!

Hannah's mother and her sister Charlotte both vanish after 1841. I cannot find a death or marriage for either of them.

[kiterunner]

No, me neither, I spent a while looking last night.

[zoenel]

Your right there and thanks for all your hard work,i will have to get certfacate, could they be a reason they dissapear after 1841?

[Margaret in Burton]

Your right there and thanks for all your hard work,i will have to get certfacate, could they be a reason they dissapear after 1841?

Emigrated?

[Mary from Italy]

I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but an Elizabeth Kipling married a Charles Nettleton in the Knaresborough RD in the 2nd quarter of 1841.

She and Charles are on the 1851 and 1861 censuses with children born after the marriage, one of them in Killinghall.

Which makes the 1841 census for the Kipling family a bit less likely to be correct, unless there's a typo in the marriage index too.

I still can't find Charlotte, though.

[kiterunner]

My Granny used to tell us how she got her K's and T's mixed up when she was a child (spoken, I mean, not written); I wonder if it could have been the same with this family?

[Merry]

Which makes the 1841 census for the Kipling family a bit less likely to be correct

I hear what you say, but Charlotte's birth reg was with a T.

[Mary from Italy]

True, I was forgetting that.

[Merry]

Elizabeth Kipling/Tipling is 35 in 1841 and Elizabeth Nettleton is 35 in 1851 (45 in 1861 and 55 in 1871), but that couuld just be an error on the 1841.

What a pity the Marriage cert to Charles isn't available via Ancestry - I would love to see that.

[Merry]

I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but an Elizabeth Kipling married a Charles Nettleton in the Knaresborough RD in the 2nd quarter of 1841.

She and Charles are on the 1851 and 1861 censuses with children born after the marriage, one of them in Killinghall.

Which makes the 1841 census for the Kipling family a bit less likely to be correct, unless there's a typo in the marriage index too.

I still can't find Charlotte, though.

I suddenly realised - if the marriage was Q2 1841 then it's more likely Charles and Elizabeth Nettleton were already married than not for the 1841 census (census was 9th June, wasn't it?)

So I had a look and found a Charles and Elizabeth Nettleton, both listed as aged 25, and living at Killinghall.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8978&iid=WRYHO107_1285_1286-0393&fn=Charley&ln=Nettleton&st=d&ssrc=&pid=12244168

So the Elizabeth "Kipling" family return as favourites!!

[Merry]

Charlotte's birth reg may have had a T but her baptism has been transcribed with a K! Note there is no father listed, suggesting she might be illegitimate, which would fit if her father died in 1838.

Name: Charlotte Kipliey
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 May 1841
Baptism/Christening Place: RIPLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Kipliey

[kiterunner]

This is Hannah's brother on the 1861 census, at Primrose Hill, Harrogate, transcribed as Tepling on ancestry:

William Tipling Head Mar 25 Yorkshire Killinghall
Isabella Do Wife Mar 27 Do South Stainley
Jane Do Daur 9 mo Do Harrogate.

In 1851 he is a farm servant in Thorner.

And in 1871, transcribed as Sipling on ancestry, at Starbeck, Knaresborough:
William Tipling Head Mar 37 Railway Plate Layer Yorkshire Harrogate
Isabella Tipling Wife Mar 35 Do South Stainley
Jane Tipling Daur 11 Do Harrogate
John Tipling Son 9 Do Do
Ann Tipling Daur 7 Do South Stainley
William Tipling junr Son 5 Do Do

And in 1881 at Station Parade, Harrogate Lane, Knaresborough:
William Tipling Head Mar 50 Platelayer (Railway) Yorkshire Starbeck
Isabella Do Wife Mar 48 Do South Stainley
John Do Son Unm 18 Do Starbeck
William Do Son Unm 16 Do Do
Richard do Son 8 Do Do
Thomas Do Son 4 Do Do

In 1891, transcribed as Sipley on ancestry, at Park Parade, Starbeck, Knaresborough:

William Tipling Head M 60 Plate layer Yorkshire Harrogate
Isabella Do Wife M 59 Do South Stainley
John Do Son S 29 Post man Do Harrogate
Annie Do Daur S 27 Do South Stainley
Richard Do Son S 18 Railway Man Do Starbeck
Thomas Do Son S 16 Telegraph Messenger Do Starbeck.

[kiterunner]

I was hoping he would have a relative other than wife and children with him on one of the censuses, but no luck there.

[Merry]

and 1901:

1 Station Parade, Harrogate

William Tipling (written Tiplin, transcribed Siplin) head widr 68 railway staff platelayer b Knaresborough
John Tipling son unm 39 postman (letter carrier) b Harrogate
Thomas Tipling son unm 26 ditto b Starbeck
Annie Tipling dau unm 37 housekeeper b South Stainley