John Silas Rathbone

[Muggins in Sussex]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
John Silas Rathbone, also known as Jack and as John Sylvanus Rathbone

Date and place of birth – 16th May 1878, Eccleshall Bierlow

Names of parents – Thomas Wolstencroft Rathbone and Elizabeth Pasley

Details of each of his or her marriages - if any - and any divorces
Emma Lucy Brenner (Swiss)

1950 Olga Alferova (Russian)

Not found details of either marriage

Occupation(s)if any
Organising Secretary to Land Company, Farmer, Newspaper Editor

Military service - if any
Served in WW1 in Dar Es Salaam – no records found

Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on, if applicable.

1881 – 108 Walkley St, Sheffield
1891 - 108 Walkley St, Sheffield
1901 – not found
1911 – 15 Lichfield Grove, Church St, Finchley (with wife Emma Lucy, b/ Switzerland naturalised by marriage and son Allan Carl, aged 6)
Lived in Kenya after WW1

Date, place and cause of death – in Nairobi, 1963
Date and place of burial / cremation.
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

[Muggins in Sussex]

This is his obituary,kindly found by KiteRunner :)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o112/djangocrystal/GetImage.jpg

[ElizabethHerts]

Is this him in 1901?

1901 Census
RATHBONE, John
ECCLESALL BIERLOW, Yorkshire (West riding)
RG13 piece 4351 folio 151 page 46
RATHBONE, Thomas Head Married M 83 1818 Retired Cordwainer Wareham Dorsetshire
RATHBONE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 64 1837 Retford Nottinghamshire
RATHBONE, John Son Single M 22 1879 Private Tutor Sheffield Yorkshire
RATHBONE, Lucy Daughter Single F 20 1881 Dressmaker Sheffield Yorkshire
STACEY, George Boarder Single M 23 1878 Shoemaker Sheffield Yorkshire

[Muggins in Sussex]

Ooh Elizabeth - I think it is-!! Thank you very, very much!:):):):)

Edit: - now I'm sure it is - thanks again Elizabeth

[ElizabethHerts]

I suppose you have seen this website?

http://kitwithers.fortunecity.com/rathbone/rathbone.html

It quotes the obituary that Kiterunner found. Also a photo of JOhn (Jack) and Olga.

[Muggins in Sussex]

I have thanks Elizabeth -:)- and I've been in touch with Kit Withers

[ElizabethHerts]

On the London Gazette website:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27964/pages/7532

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27964/pages/7519

[Merry]

*sobs* my head is exploding!

We have your grandmother, Beatrice Winifred Rathbone, on another Take One Grandparent thread (I realise that as she only 'may' be the mother of your father, that means she may or may not be your biological grandmother). Now we have her brother as your grandfather???? I am confused!!

[Merry]

Is there no date on the obit?

[Merry]

You may have these:

Allan Rathbone travelling from Southampton to Mombasa on the Tanganjika, departure 2nd Nov 1928, aged 23. UK address "Overseas League, SW1" (can't read the rest of the addy - May be something house, St James St?)


Emma Rathbone travelling from Southampton to Mombasa on the Wangoni departure 15th Oct 1925, aged 44. UK address, 30 Adelaide Road, Chalk Farm NW. Travelling 3rd class.

Mrs E L Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Garth Castle departure 7th May 1921 aged 39. UK address 12 something Park, Finchley, N12. Travelling 2nd class.

J Rathbone (planter) and Master Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Grantully Castle departure 17th June 1920 aged 42 and 15.

Mr Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Manela departure 23rd Jan 1925

There are quite a few incomming ones, so just say if you don't have those.

[Muggins in Sussex]

On the London Gazette website:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27964/pages/7532

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27964/pages/7519

Thank you very much for those Elizabeth :) - I hadn't seen them before - how interesting

*sobs* my head is exploding!

We have your grandmother, Beatrice Winifred Rathbone, on another Take One Grandparent thread (I realise that as she only 'may' be the mother of your father, that means she may or may not be your biological grandmother). Now we have her brother as your grandfather???? I am confused!!

Sorry Merry :o - I know think Beatrice was only my father's adoptive mother - I'll PM you the reasons why I think John Silas could have been my grandfather.

Is there no date on the obit?

I can't find one, but I know it was after 1955

You may have these:

Allan Rathbone travelling from Southampton to Mombasa on the Tanganjika, departure 2nd Nov 1928, aged 23. UK address "Overseas League, SW1" (can't read the rest of the addy - May be something house, St James St?)


Emma Rathbone travelling from Southampton to Mombasa on the Wangoni departure 15th Oct 1925, aged 44. UK address, 30 Adelaide Road, Chalk Farm NW. Travelling 3rd class.

Mrs E L Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Garth Castle departure 7th May 1921 aged 39. UK address 12 something Park, Finchley, N12. Travelling 2nd class.

J Rathbone (planter) and Master Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Grantully Castle departure 17th June 1920 aged 42 and 15.

Mr Rathbone travelling from London to Mombasa on the Manela departure 23rd Jan 1925

There are quite a few incomming ones, so just say if you don't have those.

Oh Merry thank you :):) - I haven't got those- I have an incoming record, Mombasa to Southampton for John and Emma in 1932 - If you found any others that would be lovely :)

[Merry]

Oh dear, now I am more awake I realise John's first wife's middle name was Lucy and I saw records for Lily and thought it was the same person. :o

So, they went out there quite a few times compared with how many times they came back! I don't think we can make anything of that as the records are not complete.

[Muggins in Sussex]

LOL, Merry :d:d:d:d:d

Thanks anyway

[Merry]

Joan, have you looked at this site? (entry 29)

http://www.ancestor.co.za/RATHBONE?snm=1

[Merry]

The Kenyan Gazette says Emma Lucie Rathbone died 16th Sept 1949 at Nairobi.

There's loads of stuff on Google books if you search Rathbone Kenya.

[Muggins in Sussex]

Joan, have you looked at this site? (entry 29)

http://www.ancestor.co.za/RATHBONE?snm=1

Thanks Merry - I'll have a look

The Kenyan Gazette says Emma Lucie Rathbone died 16th Sept 1949 at Nairobi.

There's loads of stuff on Google books if you search Rathbone Kenya.

Ooh thanks again - I just Googled Kenyan Gazette and found all this ! :)


http://www.kenyalaw.org/klr/index.php?id=768

If you search for Rathbone there are loads of results

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm not sure if you found the year of death -

It appears to be 1963, aged 85.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rS3SAAAAMAAJ&q=%22J+S+Rathbone%22+and+%22Kenya%22&dq=%22J+S+Rathbone%22+and+%22Kenya%22&hl=en&ei=xecrToq1Foa88gOZ5ZyjDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw

5th one down:

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy&hl=en&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=%22J+S+Rathbone%22+and+%22Kenya%22&pbx=1&oq=%22J+S+Rathbone%22+and+%22Kenya%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=10862l12007l5l12395l5l5l0l0l0l0l180l693l1.4 l5&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ea76fa80adaea898&biw=1024&bih=568

[Muggins in Sussex]

Many thanks, Elizabeth :):)

I didn't have the date but have added it in to post one :)

[Muggins in Sussex]

Joan, have you looked at this site? (entry 29)

http://www.ancestor.co.za/RATHBONE?snm=1

Have just registered with the site. When I click on the link I get a message saying

"This is a record for JOHN SYLVANUS RATHBONE (1965).
Order the document now, and we'll notify you by email once your document is ready.


Please note that this order may take up to 10 days to complete.
If you place this order now, you can expect a ready notification from 29-Jul-2011."

It must be his death cert - It appears to cost £4.87 in sterling :) - So that seems worth doing. :)

Thanks again Merry:)

[Merry]

I have seen another site with his year of death as 1965.

Of course you may end up with a second copy of his obit (with date?) and no death cert. :(

[Muggins in Sussex]

I have seen another site with his year of death as 1965.

Of course you may end up with a second copy of his obit (with date?) and no death cert. :(

LOL!! :d - I hadn't thought of that Merry! :d

[annswabey]

There's a WW1 Medal card for a John S Rathbone who was Acting Staff Sergeant, then commissioned 24/2/18. The index to Officers files gives his middle name as Silas and this MIGHT be his officers record at Kew

WO 374/56293 RATHBONE, 2/Lieut J S 1915-1922

[Muggins in Sussex]

Many many thanks for that Anne :)

I've just looked and I've found what may be his medal card on Ancestry (reg no M2/138898)

I can't see anything else on Ancestry, but I'll have a look at Kew next time I am there:)

[annswabey]

Had a quick look at that file at Kew today. It IS for the right man, so worth you looking at it. I noticed his marriage was in Basel, Switzerland, 20/5/1904, and the one child you know about was mentioned - Allan Charles, born 13/3/05, Haslemere

[Merry]

Oooh, good to hear it's the right one, Ann! The other child had died before 1911, but Allan was still alive in the 1920s.

Joan, I suppose that's a mistake on the obit which says JSR was proud of the fact that his grandfather was born during the Napoleonic wars? I shuld think that was his father, though I think we have b circa 1818 for Thomas, that's near enough for JSR!

[Muggins in Sussex]

Had a quick look at that file at Kew today. It IS for the right man, so worth you looking at it. I noticed his marriage was in Basel, Switzerland, 20/5/1904, and the one child you know about was mentioned - Allan Charles, born 13/3/05, Haslemere

That's wonderful Ann :):):) Thank you - I'll try to go to Kew again very soon - many thanks for looking for me :)

Oooh, good to hear it's the right one, Ann! The other child had died before 1911, but Allan was still alive in the 1920s.

Joan, I suppose that's a mistake on the obit which says JSR was proud of the fact that his grandfather was born during the Napoleonic wars? I shuld think that was his father, though I think we have b circa 1818 for Thomas, that's near enough for JSR!

Merry, I think you must be right :)