Can anyone find these on the 1861 census please.

[WendyPusey]

Someone has just found the following marriage details for me, ( I think Merry found the dates as well) which proves that these two sisters are the same ones that I have in my tree who, if I have the correct ones, both remarried a few years later.

Elizabeth Lissamon married Peter Sweeney 27th November 1852 at East Stonehouse. He was a seaman. She was 20 years old, her father was James a pensioner and she was living at 3 George St., East Stonehouse, Devon.

Maria Lissamon married George Grainger 20th December 1852 at East Stonehouse. He was a seaman. She was 19 years old, her father was James a pensioner and she was living at 3 George St., East Stonehouse, Devon.

Can anyone find either of these couples on the 1861 census please. (I'm hoping you can't!!)

I can't check Maria's signature on the two certificates as she just put her mark on both.

[Merry]

Just to make sure I'm understanding.......

Do you mean they shouldn't be found in 1861 because by then your girls had remarried? Were the remarriages with those surnames?

[Margaret in Burton]

I can't see them Wendy

[Phoenix]

If the men were RN, then if you have the ships, you could discover whether they died during voyages.

[WendyPusey]

Yes Merry if the two girls are the same as in my tree they would have remarried by 1861. They both used their maiden names on the 2nd marriages.

[WendyPusey]

Phoenix, all I have is that they were seamen. Nothing more.

[WendyPusey]

Have visitors at the moment so I'm not being rude if I don't reply.

[Merry]

Unusual to use maiden name on a second marriage, isn't it? Do you know if they married out of their home parish the second time? I wondered if they were deserted by their first husbands? Did you mean the marriage register says they were 19 and 20 years of age? - I wonder who gave consent?

I can't see any other candidates in 1861, plus the father's details are correct for name and occ and they are (well, Maria is) living in George St in 1851, so it does sound like your girls.

[Phoenix]

Unusual to use maiden name on a second marriage, isn't it? Do you know if they married out of their home parish the second time? I wondered if they were deserted by their first husbands? Did you mean the marriage register says they were 19 and 20 years of age? - I wonder who gave consent?

I can't see any other candidates in 1861, plus the father's details are correct for name and occ and they are (well, Maria is) living in George St in 1851, so it does sound like your girls.

Not if first husbands were seamen! I certainly have instances where this has happened, and I have no idea what happened to the seamen in question.

[Merry]

I wondered if there was any ref to "seven years across the seas", or whatever, when they married the second time? Or maybe they married away from home the second time to save difficult Qs.

[WendyPusey]

I have Elizabeth getting married to John Hughes in 1856 in Stoke Dameral. She was a servant there in 1851, and is in East Stonehouse in 1861. I don't have the marriage certificate for her.

Maria was married in Ireland in 1857. I have her marriage certificate, but she was living in Queenstown at the time.

[Merry]

Did Maria say spinster or widow on her 2nd cert? How did she come to be in Ireland?

[WendyPusey]

She says she is a spinster. I don't know why she went to Ireland, her mother was Irish, maybe she was visiting family.

[WendyPusey]

Nobody found them then.

[Merry]

No :D