how can I find out ?

[garstonite]

Ok ...I am going on Record Pilot, but I don`t think I will get the result I want..
freebmd has
Carl Freidrich Sacht marriage to Mary Ellen Jones Mar qtr 1877
Mary E Sacht death Mar qtr 1927
now you can call me an old romantic , but I would love to know if they reached their 50th wedding anniversary....and...I cannot find a death for Carl Freidrich Sacht...I will also try to find his death with different spelling...any advice greatly accepted ....cheers
allan

[ElizabethHerts]

Allan, I can't find anything on FMP.

[kiterunner]

On the 1901 census Carl is 53, which should help in looking for his death.

What does it say for Mary Ellen's marital status on the 1911 census? The 1911 site says there are no other Sachts with her.

[kiterunner]

Mary Ellen is on the National Probate Calendar as a widow and her date of death was 15 Feb 1927.

[Merry]

Mary Ellen died 15th Feb 1927 (probate index). That says she was a widow :(

[Merry]

Snap!

[ElizabethHerts]

In 1911 Mary Ellen is a widow.

SACHT, Mary Ellen Head Widow F 62 1849 Liverpool Lancs
OAKES, Sophia Daughter Married 11 years F 32 879 Liverpool Lancs
OAKES, William Edward Son In Law Married M 34 1877 Labourer Garston Lancs
OAKES, Daniel Grandson M 11 1900 School Liverpool Lancs
OAKES, William Edward Grandson M 7 1904 School Garston ancs
OAKES, Adelaide E May Grand Dau F 5 1906 School Garston Lancs
OAKES, Ruth Granddaughter F 3 1908 Garston Lancs
OAKES, Olive Granddaughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Garston Lancs

[garstonite]

Thanks Elizabeth...I was researching their second daughter ..Adelaide Elizabeth Sacht b 1880 , when I realised they may have seen out their Golden Anniversary...
Adelaide Sacht married John Wesley Boyle in sep qtr 1900...they had
Sophia W b 1912
John b 1915....I really need to see if they had any children between 1900 and 1911 to see if their other children are on the 1911 census in (probably Garston ),Liverpool
I feel there would have been other children in this period
allan

[kiterunner]

There is a baptism on ancestry - Carl Frederick Peter Boyle born 24 Sep 1901 and baptised 17 Nov 1901 at Garston St Michael.

[garstonite]

Sorry girls...you type so fast...and I type so slow...thanks for the info...that 1911 census is great for me ...my gg grandmother / g grandfather and g grandmother and my grandad....all in the same house ...brilliant and my "aunty Ruth and Aunty Olive and Uncle Billy " (great Aunts really ....I loved them cos they spoilt me rotten ).....lol....so , I know Carl Freidrich Sacht was a mariner ...I wonder if he died at sea...although born in Heligoland, he was a British subject cos Heligoland was British owned when he was born...thank you all...that was very interesting to see them all together...did it give an address ?
allan

[ElizabethHerts]

Allan, two Sacht births for you!

SACHT Sophia England Lancashire, West Derby 1878
SACHT Adelaide Elizabeth England Lancashire, West Derby 1880

[garstonite]

There is a baptism on ancestry - Carl Frederick Peter Boyle born 24 Sep 1901 and baptised 17 Nov 1901 at Garston St Michael.

Brilliant Kate...that`s our church...and looks like Carl Frederick is named after his grandad...delighted with this....a lady who is the g g grandaughter of Adelaide Elizabeth Sacht says she thinks there was a Joseph ??
that`s who I originally was looking for ...so obviously we have the same 3 x g grandparents...but Sophia Sacht who married the William Edward Oakes b 1877 is MY direct ancestor...so I hadn`t really done much research on her sister Adelaide...but I have today...she should be very happy with the results...I have definitely found 3 children ...well 2 ...you found the other ..lol...thanks again...allan:)

[garstonite]

thanks Elizabeth...Sophia is my gg grandmother and Adelaide Elizabeth her sister...both Garston girls....cheers
allan

[kiterunner]

I suspect that Carl Sacht died at sea between 1901 and 1911 although his name doesn't seem to be on the "deaths at sea" index. But if he was on a non-British-registered vessel I don't think his death had to be registered in Britain.

[garstonite]

Thanks Kate...I have tried in the past, but I never found his death...I wonder if Adelaide named her first born Carl Frederick after her dad because he had just recently died ?...maybe between the 1901 census and Sep 1901...or is that clutching at straws ?...I can understand one name ...but both ..?...allan

[kiterunner]

It was pretty common to name a child after one's father in those days, whether he was alive or dead.

[Merry]

I agree with Kate, but for once your straw clutching may actually be right. This is from The Times, Friday, Aug 09, 1901:


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/merry_monty_montgomery/Other%20Research/TheTimesFridayAug091901.png

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry, well done! I bet Allan with be hopping up and down with excitement when he sees this.

[ElizabethHerts]

The same entry can be also be found here:

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/132946.html?1218152470

Another report:

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZT19011003.2.18&l=mi&e=-------10--1----2--

[garstonite]

Merry...you amaze me..thank you very much...Sacht is a very rare name...Heligoland based .. probably a variation of the more common German spelt Schacht....so I am pretty sure that will be Carl ....how sad ...thanks again....allan

[WendyLF]

There is a baptism on ancestry - Carl Frederick Peter Boyle born 24 Sep 1901 and baptised 17 Nov 1901 at Garston St Michael.
Allan/Kate,

I may have a lead on the above Carl's death, would there be anyway of finding out what their street address was either at his time of birth or the 1911 census?

[garstonite]

Hiya Wendy ( Cuz ...lol)...our Oakes family home was 10 Banks Road,Garston ,Liverpool ...it stood for 100 years...I would be interested to know who was there in 1911 ?
allan

[Margaret in Burton]

Hiya Wendy ( Cuz ...lol)...our Oakes family home was 10 Banks Road,Garston ,Liverpool ...it stood for 100 years...I would be interested to know who was there in 1911 ?
allan

It's an Annie McHugh a widow and her 3 children living there in 1911 Allan.
James, John and Mark all born in Garston. Annie was from Widnes.

RG14PN22689 RG78PN1328 RD455 SD11 ED36 SN2

[Margaret in Burton]

Allan/Kate,

I may have a lead on the above Carl's death, would there be anyway of finding out what their street address was either at his time of birth or the 1911 census?

1911 census

5 Byron St Garston Liverpool

PM me your email address if you want the image.

[WendyLF]

Thanks, but it appears that the address in the Church's inscribed book refers to a Gledville Street Garston (this was 1917) was hoping perhaps to tie them up ot maybe the family moved. There is apparently a Gladeville Road in Mossley Hill, which was in the old Garston township before its icorporation into the city - as per the info I was given. Never know could still be on the right track, should hopefully be getting some photo's soon so it may trigger something in my memory/records.

Allan, still trying to trace John Wesley Adelaide husband between 1901 and 1911- as soon as I have something concrete will let you know.

Wendy

[Margaret in Burton]

1911 image sent Wendy