Richard BELLINGER

[Lindsay]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Richard Bellinger
Date and place of birth
Possibly 21 Feb 1803 OR 19 June 1804
Names of parents
Richard Bellinger and Hannah
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
Two possibles (or he was baptised twice?) 09 Jul 1804 St Leonards, Shoreditch, parents Richard and Hannah (born 19 June 1804)
and 10 Nov 1817 St Matthew Bethnal Green Middlesex; Richard Bellinger age 14 parents Richard and Hannah (born 21 Feb 1803)
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
Married Sarah Fossey 18 July 1823 at St Matthew Bethnal Green
Occupation(s) - if any
Weaver, huckster, hawker, fish salesman
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).
1817 (if it is him baptised age 14)Virginia Row Bethnal Green
1825 Swan Yard Shoreditch
1830 Caroline Place Shoreditch
1832 White Bean Gardens Shoreditch
1841-1845 Shacklewell Street Bethnal Green
Date, place and cause of death
26 April 1845 Shacklewell Street Bethnal Green. Fistula.
Date and place of burial.
Not found
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Not found
Memorial inscription - if any
Not found

[ElizabethHerts]

So this is Richard in 1841:

1841 Census
BELLINGER, Richd
Shacklewell Street, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
ST MATTHEW BETHNAL GREEN, Middlesex
HO107 piece 694 folio 11/40 page 16
BELLINGER, Richd M 40 1801 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Sarah F 33 1808 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Susan F 16 1825 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Richd M 14 1827 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Sarah F 10 1831 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Joseph M 8 1833 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Robert M 6 1835 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Louiessa F 4 1837 Middlesex

[ElizabethHerts]

There is another Richard Bellinger around, so it could get confusing! With a Hannah, too.

1841 Census
BELLINGER, Richard
Oakey Street, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
ST MATTHEW BETHNAL GREEN, Middlesex
HO107 piece 694 folio 1/34 page 21
BELLINGER, Richard M 28 1813 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Hannah F 27 1814 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Hannah F 2 1839 Middlesex
BELLINGER, Richard M 3 1838 Middlesex

[ElizabethHerts]

Name: Richard Billinger
Gender: Male
An 1804 baptism:

Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Jul 1804
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1804
Father's Name: Richard Billinger
Mother's Name: Hannah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-2

[ElizabethHerts]

A burial for a Richard Bellinger born c. 1812.

Name: Richard Bellinger
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 06 Jul 1847
Burial Place: Westminster London England
Death Date:
Death Place: Westminster London England
Age: 35
Birth Date: 1812
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01671-0

[Lindsay]

Unfortunately Richard was a popular name in the Bellinger family so it does get confusing! The Richard and Sarah you found in 1841 is my man.

[Merry]

About 1803 Middlesex


The 1817 baptism does give a date of birth of 21st February 1803.

And for info from Hannah's thread:

The address on that 1817 baptism is Virginia Row and Richard sr's occupation Weaver, just so we have the information to hand here.

The 1804 bap Elizabeth posted (#4) has an address of Kingsland Road, but no occ for Richard senr.

[jonwicken]

Hi I am currently also looking at Richard Bellingers and wondered if you had please come across any more on them?

I am looking at the other Richard Bellinger who married Hannah Wilkins in 1837 at St Dunstan Stepney. However to try and unravel who was who I have been looking at your Richard too.

As has already been noted there are two baptisms for a Richard Bellinger or variant, one in 1804 at Shoreditch and another in 1817 at Bethnal Green for a child who was born in 1803. It would seem that given the age of 14 this baptism was perhaps for the purposes of an apprenticeship.

The parents on both baptisms are listed as Richard and Hannah, but from the dates they would not appear possible to be the same couple.

These are other children I have found born to a Richard and Hannah Bellinger and variants:

Martha Bellanger born 1792 bapt 1794 Whitechapel
Richard Thomas Ballenger born and bapt 1797 in Finsbury

Are these the children of one or other of the couples?! All a bit of a mystery and I can't find a marriage for one Richard and Hannah, let alone two. If you have made any progress please do let me know.

I would also be grateful if you could please tell me the age given on your Richard bellinger's 1845 death certificate?

With thanks and kind regards,
Jon

[Lindsay]

Hi Jon, welcome to GF.

Richard Bellinger has proved a tough nut to crack. I haven't discovered anything further about him - as you say, there are no likely marriage for his parents, and I got nowhere when I tried to match up the various Bellingers who appear in the LMA records. I suspect your Richard must be related to mine, but I don't know how!

My Richard was 41 when he died in 1845, which matches both the 1817 baptism and the 1804 one, so it doesn't really get us any further forward. I'm hoping that sooner or later more records will become available which might shed some light!

[Rachel]

I have Bellingers/Ballingers in Oxfordshire .... any takers ?

[Lindsay]

All mine were in London, Rachel, but I have wondered if they moved there from elsewhere, and that's why so many seem to be missing from the LMA records.

I know Coventry had a silk weaving industry back then (my Bellingers were silk weavers) but I haven't found anything there.

Do you have any Richard Bellingers/Ballingers? Very popular name for the London lot!

[Rachel]

I can't see any Richard's in my tree but I think there are some I've not added.
I was sent some Parish records and may not have looked at them all.
Life took over and family history has had to wait.

My tree has 3 Benjamins, 3 Davids, 2 Johns, Mary Ann, Caroline, William Thomas, Daniel, Arthur and Charles.
The earliest one (Benjamin) married Elizabeth Gosling on 9th Jan 1815 but I have no DOB.
No silk weavers either

[Lindsay]

That's a shame, it doesn't sound like there's a connection - I'd love to get this branch sorted out :)

[jonwicken]

Hi Lindsay,

Thanks for your reply and for giving me the age on the 1845 death certificate. The Richard Bellinger who married Hannah Wilkins was 30 on his 1843 death certificate which ties in with the 1841 census (where his age is not rounded down) for him to be born in 1812-1813. He therefore does not appear to be either of the two baptisms.

I am wondering if it is possible that both the 1804 and 1817 (born 1803) baptisms are for your Richard. I know this may sound a bit confusing but I think this could be possible.

As the baptism was in 1817 when the child was said to be 14, it seems to me that it could have been done then in relation to an apprenticeship. According to the certificate if Richard was born in 1803 he would have been 14 and this was the age children were usually apprenticed.

But what if his parents wanted him to be apprenticed but he wasn't yet 14? The Richard born and baptised in 1804 would only have been 13. With no one knowing any different, could it be possible that the parents had him baptised a second time but this time giving an older date of birth to 'make' him 14.

It may sound unlikely but a teenage child was a financial 'burden' and it does seem a bit unlikely that there were two Richard and Hannah Bellingers, neither of whose marriage can be found.

Anyway, just a thought.

Jon

[Lindsay]

Hi Jon,

Yes, I've wondered whether the 1804 and 1817 baptisms were the same person - as you say, just how many Richard/Hannah Bellingers were there? It's frustrating that there don't seem to be any sibling baptisms which might help to pin them down.

Let's hope that eventually an extra piece of information will appear to make sense of it all!

[jonwicken]

I think that these might be siblings which I mentioned earlier:

Martha Bellanger born 1792 bapt 1794 Whitechapel
Richard Thomas Ballenger born and bapt 1797 in Finsbury

Parents of both are Richard and Hannah.

Finsbury is a bit of an odd location if Richard was a weaver though. But Martha certainly seems likely to me given the location.

Unfortunately there are no occupations on either baptism to lend support.

Jon

[Lindsay]

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