Francis Smith

[maggie_4_7]

My mother's mother's father's mother's father

Name:
Francis Smith

Date and place of birth:
Not known

Names of parents:
Not known

Date and place of baptism:
Not known

Details of each of his or her marriages:

Marriage to Ellen Purkis on 4th September 1818 at St Matthew’s Church, Bethnal Green, London, England
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&f8=francis&f10=smith&sx=&rg_81004011__date=1796&rs_81004011__date=0&rg_f51__date=1820&rs_f51__date=0&f37=&f47=&f53=&f23=&f24=&f18=ellen&f19=&f28=&f29=&gskw=&prox=1&db=lmamarriages&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=2196434&recoff=9+10+28&qid=09abeb69678947e3bec90529ae1ec4ca


Occupation:
Cabinet Maker

Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK):

Haven’t found any census for Francis or Ellen

Date, place and cause of death:
Not known

Date and place of burial:
Not known

Details of will / administration of their estate:
Not known

Memorial inscription:
Not known

[kiterunner]

He's a widower on the marriage to Ellen, as you've no doubt noticed already. Witnesses Elizth Mary Wilson and Saml Ames. but Saml Ames is on nearly all the marriages.

[kiterunner]

Is this his daughter Harriet's baptism?
St Leonard Shoreditch 7 Dec 1823, Harriet, daughter of Francis and Ellen Smith of Union Walk, bedstead maker. Born 18 Nov 1823.

(TO2G thread on Harriet:
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=4439

[kiterunner]

Also Sarah 4 Jun 1820, with Francis' occupation given as Carpenter. DOB 4 Mar 1820.

Charlotte received into the church at Camden Queen Square St George the Martyr 22 Oct 1830, note says Baptised at Shoreditch, said to be born December 28 1821. Abode Lambs Conduit Passage, occupation Bedstead Maker.

Then there is another baptism for Harriet 28 Jan 1833 at Shoreditch St Leonard, Union Walk, Cabinet Maker, date of birth 18 Nov 1823.

[maggie_4_7]

Is this his daughter Harriet's baptism?
St Leonard Shoreditch 7 Dec 1823, Harriet, daughter of Francis and Ellen Smith of Union Walk, bedstead maker. Born 18 Nov 1823.

(TO2G thread on Harriet:
http://genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=4439

Yes that is my ancestor Harriet Smith who married John Worley.

I have those baptisms for her siblings Sarah and Charlotte but they are confusing I have no idea why Charlotte was baptised twice.

When I posted that thread I assumed Harriet's mother was named Elizabeth because someone had given me that informationa little while ago but it was incorrect.

[kiterunner]

I think in Charlotte's case her first baptism would have been a private one, and the second one is when she was publicly received into the church, but not sure what the reason is for Harriet's. At least we can be sure it's the same person because of her date of birth. I have one like that in my tree which I've never fathomed out either.

[kiterunner]

There is an entry on A2A for a Sun Fire Office insurance policy (held at the Guildhall Library), MS 11936/473/929676 16 April 1817

Insured: Ann Bates Smith and Francis Smith
Other property or occupiers: 3 St Pauls Church Yard (Graham upholsterer and cabinet maker)

I wonder if we can figure out whether this is your Francis.

[kiterunner]

MS 11936/464/899308 3 November 1814


Contents:
Insured: Ann Bates Smith Martha and Frances Smith, 2 Millman Street, spinsters